QuickClot - Blood Clotting Agent

[IndyBeerman]

Originally Posted by IndyGunworks

a proper touniquet is more effective, cheaper, and can be reused.... this stuff was the kats meow in theory but once it hit the battle field the docs started dissuading people from using it due to the further damage it can cause... a turniquet can be left on for up to four hours with no perminent damage...

this means that in normal life, use a tourny for anything that hard manual pressure will not control.

in SHTF, us a tourny until someone either drinks enough, or builds up the balls to attemp field surgury since there is no other option... if you use quickclot in SHTF how are you going to clean it out 100 percent? i know the trauma nurses spend hours getting all of that crap out after a soldiers surgury.

i wouldnt touch it with a 10 foot pole... let alone have it in my SHTF stash to further complicate things...

What about in a serious situation where you happen across a car accident with multiple victims and tourniquet will not work on a large puncture wound to the torso and at that point you either have to play god and pick one to die, or administer the QC to one and attend to the other?

Catch 22 there right? I've only started reading up on it within the last month, but given the circumstances if I was on the receiving end, I'd rather want live with a longer recovery time than have my chances increased not to live.

I think the phrase I seen on one site sums it up good, "apply sparingly do not over apply".

That said I think I'm going to buy some along with a tourniquet, after all if I was alone and something happened to me, applying a tourniquet to yourself can be a challenging thing especially if you have an injured arm.

[redneckmedic]

Originally Posted by IndyBeerman

What about in a serious situation where you happen across a car accident with multiple victims and tourniquet will not work on a large puncture wound to the torso and at that point you either have to play god and pick one to die, or administer the QC to one and attend to the other?

Ambulances do not use this, and none of the ER's that I know of do either (In Marion County). If you use this on the street as a civilian, you are pushing the lines of negligence and possibly not covered by the Good Samaritan Act.

Don't Be a Hero if you Don't Have the Training!

[redneckmedic]

Originally Posted by IndyBeerman

What about in a serious situation where you happen across a car accident with multiple victims and tourniquet will not work on a large puncture wound to the torso and at that point you either have to play god and pick one to die, or administer the QC to one and attend to the other?

Triage is not playing God, play the lotto, your chances are better than rolling up on a MCI with life and death choices before trained resquers arrive.

That said I think I'm going to buy some along with a tourniquet, after all if I was alone and something happened to me, applying a tourniquet to yourself can be a challenging thing especially if you have an injured arm.

Above you are three trained people that have expressed their opinion with different backgrounds all saying its no good... what more do you need?

Originally Posted by IndyGunworks

i wouldnt touch it with a 10 foot pole

Originally Posted by redneckmedic

clamps, tourniquets, and pressure bandages would be better.

Originally Posted by Indecision

Yeah, quick clot is something we are turning away from. Anything thats wet activates it, so as stated, there's typically a lot of surrounding tissue damage..... also a former EMT-B.

[Indecision]

Originally Posted by IndyBeerman

That said I think I'm going to buy some along with a tourniquet, after all if I was alone and something happened to me, applying a tourniquet to yourself can be a challenging thing especially if you have an injured arm.

Just tryin to help you out on this bit. We get issued these and they are MONEY. You can even apply them with one arm relatively easily. Combat Application Tourniquet

[IndyGunworks]

Originally Posted by Indecision

Just tryin to help you out on this bit. We get issued these and they are MONEY. You can even apply them with one arm relatively easily. Combat Application Tourniquet

yep, can be applied one handed rather easily, i suggest buy once cry once, and get the ones with an aluminum torque bar, they will hold up better and in a SHTF scenario thats the last thing you want to break on you..


as far as the car accident... well crap happens, and people die everyday... you might stumble upon someone having a heart attack but does that mean you carry a full line of cardiac drugs and a heart moniter with you? no..... say you do have quick clot on you and you use it... it keeps them alive just long enough to get to the hospital where they die because of the added time it takes to clean the wound out before surgury is performed? just sayin, get it if you want, but when you get sued for using it dont come cryin to ingo sayin you were just tryin to help

[Shay]

I have nothing against hemostatic agents, but trauma medical training matters more than the simple ownership of QC when it comes to saving someone's life. Get some training and then you will know what should be in your blow out kit and how to use it.

[IndyGunworks]

Originally Posted by Shay

I have nothing against hemostatic agents, but trauma medical training matters more than the simple ownership of QC when it comes to saving someone's life. Get some training and then you will know what should be in your blow out kit and how to use it.

this.... i think quick clot appeals the untrained because instead of spending weeks and months, if not years, learning about trauma management, there is this special powder that you just dump onto the area and it makes the boo boo all better.

[grunt soldier]

well i did 2 years in iraq and a year in afghanistan and at first we were issued the powder version. and it was horrible. first off if your allergic to shell fish you can't use it as it will cause a very bad allergic reaction. this may have been changed by now. we used it when it was necessary as in you just got shot and your brother must charlie mike until the enemy is destroyed. then we ran into the problem of it getting on peoples fingers and them rubbing there eyes. turned out really bad because it would react w/ the water in the eye's just like blood. so we stop using them. then on my trip to afghanistan we got issued it again that was in 2006 but it was a bandage version and i actually liked them a lot. easy to apply no messy powder to get everywhere and you could cut out small pieces so there wasn't a bunch of excess to foul up the wound. they worked amazing and many of my brothers are alive today because of it. but for civilian world i would 100 per agree a tourniquet is a much better option as the ems will always be there pretty damn quick. shtf situation the patch would be solid but in that situation your just trying to live long enough to get back to someone who can take care of you but as mentioned above a tourniquet is just as effective as long as you note what time you put it on.

by all means these ppl above have much more medic training than me. i am nothing more than a infantry boy who got to take alot of combat life saver course's. hope this helps some but again your best bet is to get some medical training and go from there

[hotfarmboy1]

What about the QC sport, the new ones they have for civies that are sponges? That's all I have. Not the powder. When it comes down to it I understand the tourniquit would be better, but what about a body part you cant do it as easy with. Like a shoulder?

[IndyBeerman]

Originally Posted by hotfarmboy1

What about the QC sport, the new ones they have for civies that are sponges? That's all I have. Not the powder. When it comes down to it I understand the tourniquit would be better, but what about a body part you cant do it as easy with. Like a shoulder?

The QC sport or QC gauze is what I was thinking about, not the original pour into the wound kind along with a tourniquet.