Innovative Tactical Concetps-Richmond Indiana

[Tinman]

Just spreading the love one post at a time.

Tinman....

[rhino]

This is me still not saying anything else.

Naturally, I'm proud of this uncharacteristic level of self-control that I'm currently displaying.

[sjstill]

OK, I admit I was incorrect - it was an article in SWAT about Warrior School that read like ad copy (to me). I freely admit that I glossed over both articles, (W. S. & ITC).

[Fenway]

For the record I have been in touch with Brian@ITC and as of this time will be attending a pistol class in July as his guest. I will come back to this forum with a detailed AAR - my thoughts on the class, and how it compares to others I have taken.

I don't have nearly the amount of training as some members on this board. But I bet I have more training than 90% of the registered members here. I promised Brian I would show up with an open mind and I will do just that. I will also be brutally honest in my report. I'm not spending my weekend, gas money to Richmond, and 500 rounds of ammo with the intention to write a horrible review. That being said just because I'm able to get some training in I'm not going up there to write a glowing review. I'm going to find out for myself and this board what this training is all about and I will report my findings here. I hope to learn some things!

Mike

[Hiram Abiff]

Stop by Hagerstown-- I'll buy you a cup of coffee (or a beer whichever)

[Hop]

I kind of see Brian's point. I attended a Karate school in Beach Grove that had much of the same thinking. We trained to fight when most schools trained how to compete in tourneys. Learning how to score points doesn't keep you safe on the street. We studied MANY katas from many styles but not once did we learn a structured response to any kind of attack.

The school did send several students to a tourney... once. I think 4 out of 5 were disqualified for illegal move &/or drawing blood. I think one student broke someone's nose.

And I love this quote: "If I use a rake as my tool to defend myself, do I need to seek a “certified” instructor in rake-fu?".

[Brian@ITC]

I also most strongly disagree with your assertion that if someone who took the course teaches it to you, why should you go pay the big bucks and take the course. I consider that most dishonest. If a friend takes a class and likes something, he wants to show to me, great. If I like it I pony up and hit the class, for two reasons. First, to learn from the source. There may be nuances of the technique that my friend missed out on.

When our training group meets, we all get together to train on something that we all need to work on, and then whoever has been to a school recently will share the “highlights” with us and what they thought was important. It is usually about 5-6 things at most. It may be a drill that they liked, or whatever. By no means are we teaching an entire course that someone went to. When budgets are tight, LE will send someone to a school to bring something back instead of sending everyone and they will work on the highlights.

Now, regarding my statement of paying the big bucks… I meant no disrespect to any instructor. All I am saying is that personally I have not seen anything brought back to the group that I felt sparked enough interest to go and spend the time and money to learn “their twist” on things. Most everything that I have seen brought back to the training group has been two handed shooting. As I believe that I have stated at some point in my previous posts, for the most part I don’t agree with how the gun is brought into the fight in typical firearms training. And, from the information that has been brought back to the group, there hasn’t been anything significantly “different” about how to implement the gun into the fight. This is my viewpoint of 22 years of fighting experience. Most training is guncentric when it should be FIGHT focused. So, take from that what you will. I think that all firearms training is good training for teaching basics. But a lot of the so called “advanced” stuff is not realistic against someone who has you at gun or knife point at the distances most confrontations take place.

If you you want to visit a big school, then do it! I’m sure that you will it will not be a waste of money for you. At least you are getting some sort of training and it is good training. By no means should you be teaching the entire course you took unless you are a certified instructor of the school you went to. But let's be honest, most people will take back at least one thing they learned and teach it.

Tinman; In the future, if you’re going to quote someone else’s work, at least do them the courtesy of crediting them. I counted at least 4 different instructors, most of whom I have personally trained with, that you quoted verbatim without so much as a mention of their work.

I read back through my posts, and I do not believe that I quoted anyone. And as far as “verbatim”, how many things can be said without “quoting” someone else? How many times each day do you quote someone else’s words without knowing it? I am the first person to give credit where credit is due IF I know someone else said it and they have “coined” the phrase. But again, if I haven’t trained with them, what are the chances of quoting them?

For those of you who say “Nay” to our training, that is fine, that is your choice. However, we are looking for those people who know there is something more to training with a firearm than what is being taught by most people in the “firearms” industry. There are plenty of people who know there is something missing in their training. We get emails, phone calls, and talk to people at gun shows all the time and they say something like, “This is what I have been looking for….” What it doesn’t mean is that the training they have had is crap. And I hope that I have never implied that it is. I just don’t think that a lot of the training is realistic for self-defense purposes. Our goal is simply to get people to think outside the box with no limitations and focus on the FIGHT and not the use of the gun.

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[JRN]

I want to thank Brian LaMaster and the rest of the ITC instructors for the excellent seminar this last weekend. The instructors were professional, friendly and knowledgeable about the concepts they were presenting. The training was more practical than anything I have seen in my ten years as a police officer. The proof is when you realize that you cannot draw your firearm and safely fire in the short amount time you have before the bad guy is all over you. I took the time to read the previous posts and I can see that many people are deeply attached to their egos. I know from experience that you cannot learn anything until you let go of your ego. I will not debate the validity of this training with anyone who is unwilling to put their own body out there and experience it themselves. I can only suggest that if you are offered this training again, you should consider swallowing your pride. You may just learn something. Again, thank you for the excellent training. Looking forward to my next opportunity to train with you.

[Dr. Dave]

After looking at the ITC video, I can agree on having something to throw, but I don't think it will be my keys! It's kind of hard to get away, in my car at least, when the BG has my keys in his face.
I would rather keep my keys in my hand and if I had to strike use the keys as a cutting tool across the eyes.
A Master Sergeant with the Army Special forces teaches to carry a magazine, roll it up and it can be a very effective striking tool from the end.

[indyninja]

Interesting first post. Good to have you here but it kind of seems like someone might have told you... "hey go on that INGO board and write a good review". Maybe not but most people usually post a bit or say high in the welcome forum. You have come here and wrote a glowing review. Nothing else so far.

Anyway I would like to know how you came to this class. Did you find it online? Hear about it in SWAT? Are you friends with the owner? What police force do you work for?

Originally Posted by JRN

I want to thank Brian LaMaster and the rest of the ITC instructors for the excellent seminar this last weekend. The instructors were professional, friendly and knowledgeable about the concepts they were presenting. The training was more practical than anything I have seen in my ten years as a police officer. The proof is when you realize that you cannot draw your firearm and safely fire in the short amount time you have before the bad guy is all over you. I took the time to read the previous posts and I can see that many people are deeply attached to their egos. I know from experience that you cannot learn anything until you let go of your ego. I will not debate the validity of this training with anyone who is unwilling to put their own body out there and experience it themselves. I can only suggest that if you are offered this training again, you should consider swallowing your pride. You may just learn something. Again, thank you for the excellent training. Looking forward to my next opportunity to train with you.