Innovative Tactical Concetps-Richmond Indiana

[indyninja]

A better question might be how many times have you trained in true reality based training with a firearm Brian. It appears your answer could probably fit on one line and yet you are the person teaching this stuff. :rolleyesedit:

Originally Posted by Brian@ITC

My question to those who have had firearms training, how many of you have trained in true reality based training?

Yes someone from the board is stepping up and maybe we can put some of this to rest.

Originally Posted by JRN

Again, everyone is focused on what is being said, yet no one wants to step up to the challenge.

[rhino]

As an aside, I'd like to point out that the defensive use of the pistol or other firearm is as much a "martial art" as anything that originated in east Asia.

[sjstill]

In every handgun class I've taken, the Tueller drill is always discussed, and most often a warning is given that you likely WILL be cut - how bad depends upon your response(s).

When I took Steve Tarani's edged weapon defense class, the Tueller drill was stressed even more (I think; I've slept since then). The "21 foot rule" needs to be changed to (minimum) 30 feet, is the consensus of most knowledgeable trainers these days.

At one class, I made what could either be a brilliant or stupid move by charging the attacker while drawing my [training] pistol. Really effed up his OODA loop, but I don't know that I'd try that for real.

Moving off the line of attack was always the preferred option. No big secret there.

Time and money-wise, I can only take 1 class a year. I've already committed to Awerbuck's shotgun class in August.

I really hope Mike has a good review of this class.

Being a police officer now, I want every edge I can get. No class I have attended has EVER stated their way is the way. Every single one of them has said it is a way; it may not work for you, but give it a try. But, here we have, from the mean streets of Richmond, IN, THE best combo of unarmed/armed combatives the world has ever seen. Only, we're too guncentric to realize.

There isn't much new under the sun.

I declined the offer to train for free for the same reason I don't waste time or money on those ads in some of the gun rags. You've seen them; "Former Mossad/SeAL/Delta Force/Green Beret/Cub Scout teaches you what the US Military doesn't want you to know". Sorry, but my bullshit detector goes off.

There, I said it.

When first approached a couple years ago about hosting ITC at Eagle Creek, I considered it. Then I started checking around. Basically comes from out of nowhere with ties to a couple SWAT team members (is Brian a cop, btw? not that it really matters, but he does like to ride their coat-tails) and a lot of martial arts experience. Including ninja training.

I'm not picking on Brian, not really. I just think he has a 10 foot tall ego crammed into a 5'-6" frame. And that's cool. Most instructors I've met have egos. Part of the package.

All of the above are MY opinions and mine alone. If you don't like 'em, well I think this forum has an ignore feature.

[indyninja]

How do you expect him to recommend other schools when he hasn't trained with anyone?

Originally Posted by Shay VanVlymen

How many other schools did he recommend at his class?

[4sarge]

I declined the offer to train for free for the same reason I don't waste time or money on those ads in some of the gun rags. You've seen them; "Former Mossad/SeAL/Delta Force/Green Beret/Cub Scout teaches you what the US Military doesn't want you to know". Sorry, but my bullshit detector goes off

OK, I've had enough, "What's your problem with Cub Scouts ?

[bigcraig]

Originally Posted by Brian@ITC

Bigcraig, I mean you no disrespect sir, but how long have you been training? Dude, it was a drill to get you to realize that you cannot draw and shoot if there is no “threat”. It is also a drill to get you to see that you cannot REACT to someone with a knife within 10 feet and draw your gun and shoot the attacker. I was “overacting” for a reason. And that reason was to try and get you to react before you saw a weapon and shoot me. It was a drill… nothing more, nothing less. So, since you brought it up, were you able to successfully draw and shoot from concealment? Did your Spidey reflexes react that quickly? My guess is not. Come and take the training and you will see FIRST HAND that you cannot draw your gun in time and shoot against an attacker who has a knife and makes the first move. And, you will not always see the weapon before it is in motion.
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Brian K. LaMaster - President, Innovative Tactical Concepts
Instructor - Counter Force International

I will attempt to address this, as it is directed at me.

First, I have taken only one serious firearms class, Strike Tactical, instructor Henk Iverson. The rhino set this class up for some of his "chosen" friends. Excellent class taught by someone who has used his tactics MANY times in real life, thus has credibility. I am not implying that a person who has no military or LEO experience can not also be a good firearms instructor, but when it comes to real CQB type tactics and distances, it is best to learn from someone who has actually done, several times. IMHO of course.

The main problem I have with your drill and also the reason why I sort of made fun of it, is due to the fact that is unrealistic to some one who takes their personal saftey seriously. Situational awareness trumps ALL, everything else is simply academic in how you respond to a threat.

To answer the question on whether or not I was able to draw my weapon during your "drill", yep I sure did, after I had backed up several feet creating distance between myself and the attacker, I also threw up my off hand and forearm as a gaurd, moved off the line of attack and brought my weapon to bear on the attacker. I did this because thats what I have been trained to do. To be honest, I knew this before I took Henks class but having him there showing me the correct mechanics and helping me diagnose issues I might have had was worth every penny.

All that being said, if you think that your training is superior, I think you need to take a class with someone else, other than the small sampling that you have had. The fact that you are incorporating your martial arts background into your "tactics" is nothing new nor innovated, to say the least.

I sincerly doubt I will venture out your way to take a class. I am fortunate enough to live very close to Boone County, and Sheriff Ken brings in a great group on instructors every year, it is just a matter of me signing up for them. I also already have a class scheduled for later this fall, so my training budget and schedule are full for the year.

I will offer this advice, find someone else to do your marketing.

[obijohn]

Originally Posted by sjstill

I declined the offer to train for free for the same reason I don't waste time or money on those ads in some of the gun rags. You've seen them; "Former Mossad/SeAL/Delta Force/Green Beret/Cub Scout teaches you what the US Military doesn't want you to know". Sorry, but my bullshit detector goes off.

i'm with 4sarge here, what's your beef with the cub scouts? i don't know about those other wuss groups, but if a cub scout says it's so, it is so.

disclaimer--feeble attempt at humor--can't let rhino tell all the jokes. hehe.

on a serious note, sometimes training is valuable if you learn some things NOT to do in a "situation". i was going to write "dynamic critical incident" but i got that one from rob pincus, so i wrote "situation". hehe.

[sjstill]

Cub Scouts is cool, just couldn't think of another HS/LD entity to put in there (brain cramp from writing too much....).

[Scutter01]

The only thing I remember about being in the Cub Scouts was looking up dirty words in the dictionary to see if they were in there.

[obijohn]

Originally Posted by Scutter01

The only thing I remember about being in the Cub Scouts was looking up dirty words in the dictionary to see if they were in there.

even learning how to use the dictionary is valuable. plus you learned some new dirty words. win-win. hehe.