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you cant expect to double your business every year - including in the middle of a recession - w/o marketing and advertising. and email ads are the cheapest. anyone who wants, can opt out.
Yes and No. I signed up to get his emails and after getting way too many decided to OPT OUT and do you know what happened? NOTHING! I still kept getthing his emails, snail mail items and the sat. morning phone call as well! I used the OPT-OUT email address on his email, wrote a letter and faxed and snailed mailed to them and still no good!

So I finally set-up a filter to TRASH his emails, changed my phone number and just toss his snail mail away. His "marketing" is too much like "time sharing vacations". It's too pushy for my taste.
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you cant expect to double your business every year - including in the middle of a recession - w/o marketing and advertising. and email ads are the cheapest. anyone who wants, can opt out.
I have opted out 3x and still get his automated phone calls every few months on the weekends @ 8am ish. My reasons were purely ethical against a slimy marketing campaign where he was hawking "foreclosed" lifetime memberships. Bad taste in this economy and if real it showed serious lack of customer loyalty.

I am very glad you enjoyed FS. I am also tired of reading about how great or weak it is in a snotty beat down fashion. Obviously you are a strong supporter and will not be swayed so why they continue to try is pointlesss and a waste of time. I just wish everyone would get along As long as you know what you didn't know,you are gtg, right?
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that's quite a list. which one are u associated w/? if i google them, will they show up? or, do i need a decoder ring to check them out? BTW, if your folks went to the 2 day class, i agree it is inadequate. the meat of the defensive handgun course is in the last 2 days [incl. one 2 hour night session].
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that's quite a list. which one are u associated w/? if i google them, will they show up? or, do i need a decoder ring to check them out? BTW, if your folks went to the 2 day class, i agree it is inadequate. the meat of the defensive handgun course is in the last 2 days [incl. one 2 hour night session].
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2 be honest not a one of them except having trained with them

A correct 2 day or even 1 day class with the right trainers can get more across to students thana dogmatic 5 day class. we have proven that,
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I have retrained a few of their students over the years.

Like Steve, I think there are better, closer options available without all the baggage.
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shay, i'm always willing to learn. did yur students come from the 4 day? or, the 2 day? there is a BIG difference. and, "I think there are better, closer options available"... please expand. tnx, crazzy
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2day or 4day it is all the same installed thinking just more of it.....and often worse after more days spent.......

if your happy there stick with it if your happy with you have learned then good to go
we have based out response basedon what we have seen and delt with as primary trainers for many and as AI for others in this industry at least on my end and no matter what every FS student that has come through has to be remolded and retrained and re taught (gasp how to fight) and break evil range rules that kill you and your loved ones.

sorry to be blunt but after having spent many a mount of years training and under many great guys and gals.... we have seen and know the differance between good and life saving fighting skills
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steve, how about coming clean? tell me who and or where this other wonderful training is? give me the chance to see for myself. i'm more than willing to fess up if i find your approach 'better'. but, oblique references can not help me nor anyone else. having been trained to draw and fire two shots to the chest cavity in under 2.1 seconds, i feel quite comfortable; but, i'm always open to new ideas. peace, crazzy
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