Trigger Reset

[TFin04]

Originally Posted by Steve MI

Rhino, is a freak of nature and hell of a shooter,

though Im much better looking

Not doubting his abilities is it clear he has developed a technique that he is happy with. I just prefer something different, especially when someone is trying to kill me.

[Steve MI]

Agreed

[DHolder]

What Neocon said.... His trigger control has great follow thru, you can't see if he is keeping his finger on the trigger, but it should stay on the trigger, not allowing trigger slap.

He could use some help in his sitting position,not a very steady platform, and I'll bet his NPOA is outta wack, maybe we can get him to an Appleseed, and make a Rifleman out of him! Don

[mammynun]

Great thread! I learned my pistol "skills" from Uncle Sam, and he didn't go into this kind of depth... Where do you guys shoot? I want to see and learn these techniques!

[rvb]

Originally Posted by Barry in IN

The hits will be where the sights are pointed, that is true. But the sights won't be pointed the same place with different trigger action.

The conclusion, IMO, should not be that one resetting technique is better than the other, but rather that one (or both) of the techniques is causing the shooter to not execute fundamentals while the shot breaks. Most likely this is because of one or some combination of tension, sympathetic flexing, anticipating the break, flinching, or a minor difference in trigger position or grip.

It's like a baseball player saying whether he sprints or strolls to first base affects his ability to hit the ball.

If you are -truely- watching the sights and keeping them on target AS the shot breaks, and call the shot correctly, no way you wiggle the bang button will change where the bullet goes.

-rvb

[rvb]

Originally Posted by rhino

I leave my pinkie and ring fingers sticking into the wind when I shoot strong hand only or support hand only ... to keep it from pulling my shots ...

And of course I've absorbed a significant amount of verbal abuse (teasing) for it!

As you should! haha

Something for you to ponder and to keep you up at night....

what if the symptom (milking the grip and pulled shots) is just more obvious SHO/WHO? What if learning to correct that problem could improve ALL your shooting?

of course, that might mean you'd have to [gasp!] practice! haha

-rvb

[rhino]

I was thinking of a pithy comeback to your suggestion that I might do the p-word, but then I remembered that I actually did practice with my rifle a few weeks ago.

I still feel dirty.

You are correct in that my pinkie perpetrated problem is more pronounced when shooting SHO (not so much WHO) than with a two-handed grip. Learning to correct the problem involved finding a way to shoot that made the bullets go where I wanted them to go.

Seriously, though, I tried for years to "correct" the problem. Not everyone's hands and forearms work exactly like. Some are going to have less success trying to detach sympathetic movement from their pinkie due to movement of their forefinger. I have not been successful doing so.

A reality is that the majority of gripping strength comes from your middle finger anyway. It's better to have those other two fingers on there, but it's not necessary.

Originally Posted by rvb

As you should! haha

Something for you to ponder and to keep you up at night....

what if the symptom (milking the grip and pulled shots) is just more obvious SHO/WHO? What if learning to correct that problem could improve ALL your shooting?

of course, that might mean you'd have to [gasp!] practice! haha

-rvb

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Steve MI

Rhino, is a freak of nature and hell of a shooter,

though Im much better looking

Ah, apparently you've been around me when I shoot ... I often yell,
"Oh, Hell!" when I miss!

As for the latter? Dude, with my new manly-man, rugged-as-it-can-get scar on my forehead, I have now crossed the line from being man-pretty into the realm of rugged good looks. At this point, The Pachyderm Has Got It All Goin' On. I am straight-up pimpin'.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by TFin04

Not doubting his abilities is it clear he has developed a technique that he is happy with. I just prefer something different, especially when someone is trying to kill me.

Regardless of the perceived lack of merits, I can't take even a little credit for developing anything.

I learned about doing it (and why) from Louis Awerbuck. In fact, when he first showed it to me, I was skeptical and more than a little stubborn and not willing to believe it was a beneficial technique to try. After all, what does HE know, anyway? It took me a couple of years before I was even willing to try it. Once I tried and the results were much better than what I'd been able to do before, I decided to keep doing it.

It's also consistent with how I sip my afternoon tea with my pinkie protruding prominently. And I can even pinkie-swear with someone while I'm holding my teacup or my pistol because my pinkie is now available to enable such multi-tasking.

[rvb]

Originally Posted by rhino

my pinkie perpetrated problem is more pronounced ...

ok, creative alliterations aside.....

Originally Posted by rhino

Seriously, though, I tried for years to "correct" the problem. Not everyone's hands and forearms work exactly like. Some are going to have less success trying to detach sympathetic movement from their pinkie due to movement of their forefinger.

I've found this problem is usually a symptom rather than a source; yet most focus on correcting this symptom and ignore the actual problem...

And the source is usually two fold...

First, a weak grip. Most people 1) begin to flinch/anticipate when shooting SHO/WHO (don't think this is the case here) and 2) loosen way up on the grip when SHO/WHO. Build up hand strength. Squeeze the grip till it bleeds. If you're shaky, you're just a bit too firm for your strength, so build more strength so you can squeeze harder.

However... that cure often leads to... TENSION. And this tension in your shoulders/neck/arms/fingers is the second source for the milking. relax!! but do NOT stop squeezing the hell outta that grip.

Applies for two-handed grip, too.

Now all this may not apply to you, I'd have to watch you shoot some, but in my experience it's helped myself and people I've helped. All this greatly reduces any sympathetic input if the finger muscles are already contracted, they aren't going to move much more. The remaining isolation takes [gasp!] practice.

Try it the next time you practice and get back to me (I look forward to your report in 2012... [another sign the world will end then?]) haha [I kid, I kid!]

-rvb