6/14 INGO Class with Shay VanVlymen AARs

[shooter521]

Originally Posted by Kirk Freeman

Who's up for more?:do2:

Sorry I missed out on the course and on dinner. I've met Shay, but haven't had the pleasure of training with him. A pistol refresher course is on my short list, so I'd definitely be game for any future INGO training opportunities that come up.

[Shay VanVlymen]

Thank you all for posting your thoughtful reviews.

I really enjoyed teaching this class. It is exciting to take so many students and expose them to their first formal training.

I designed this class to teach a core set of skills, tactics and Mindset but it really was just an appetizer. There was so little time to cover so much ground that I had to cut out some important bits. I know I said this in class, but it's important to repeat. Go take more training. There are tons of schools being hosted in Indiana in the coming months. There are also dozens of schools within a day's drive. Make it a priority to continue your education before you spend more money on more guns and gadgets.

I'm a little sad because this will be my last time teaching for a while, so I really want to say thanks to all who attended the class. I also really enjoyed seeing the crew that showed up for dinner. It was a seriously large gang.

[pmpmstrb]

Originally Posted by Pami

No, not that I saw. :(

He did make us kick dirt on our pistols, though. So much for the shiny newness. /sniffle

I hope he waited till the end of class so the Sig people could still participate.

[Pami]

Originally Posted by pmpmstrb

I hope he waited till the end of class so the Sig people could still participate.

I am the Sig people. And my P250 worked just fine, tyvm.

PS.. based on the Big Holes it put in my cardboard target, I'd really recommend not being shot point-blank by a P250. The muzzle blast is scary compared to some of the other shot-from-retention holes I saw.

[W9ZEB]

P30 Battle Scar from kicking it around in the rocks and dirt.
I'm pretty sure I even stepped on it, and ground it in good.



One down, several thousand to go.

[sjstill]

Pami, I got to shoot a P250 Sunday. That is one SIG I'd seriously consider.

In the Fighting Pistol class last year, I had no qualms dropping my Springfield TRP on the deck. That Armory Cote is tough stuff.

Had fewer qualms about winging my Kel-Tec P32 like a throwing star at the target (had serious ammo issues, wasn't the gun's fault).

[W9ZEB]

Originally Posted by sjstill

.......
Had fewer qualms about winging my Kel-Tec P32 like a throwing star at the target (had serious ammo issues, wasn't the gun's fault).

I suspect it was the Guns Fault!
Kel-Tec's are suspect until proven innocent in a court of about 1500 flawless rounds.

[sjstill]

No, in this case, the Keltie was innocent. I tried the same lot of ammo in another Keltie (with a broken firing pin, I found out later; but it still worked with good ammo) and a Walther PP - many misfires. Winchester Silvertips, I think the box got soaked, and messed things up. Had probably 35 misfires out of that one box of 50, maybe more (I've slept since then).

Originally Posted by W9ZEB

I suspect it was the Guns Fault!
Kel-Tec's are suspect until proven innocent in a court of about 1500 flawless rounds.

[pinhead56]

I'm just a little slower than the rest at getting my thoughts on the class posted up here, but here goes...

I think one of the best things I learned to do was clearing those damn little yellow dummies that appeared at random (at least to me) in my shot sets. When you are supposed to be firing at the target and all you get is "click", it will take me some repetitions at the practice range to remember to just smack the mag bottom solidly into the well and rack the slide "vigorously" as Shay said and get back into the fight, rather than standing there going..."WTF?!" and looking stoopidly at the gun . If you are into the competition stuff like USPSA etc, it will also be a good thing to know if you happen to hit a hard primer and no bang... "smack and rack" and continue. Just shake it off. The only time you would need to pause would be if you hit a squib... then you better just throw the pistol at the target.

[Fenway]

Thank you Lars, Pami and other participants for the excellent reviews.

I was impressed that from the get go we were using dummy rounds and moving off the line of attack. The dummy rounds forced us to tap-rack-bang and if we didn't move we would hear about it even over the gun fire. Shooting from retention always gives a nice muzzle blast facial. Not very pretty shooting but very eye opening and obviously an important position to have tried at least once.

The discussion regarding mindset and legal issues was probably worth the price of admission alone. Could the info provided really save one of our asses down the road? YES! In addition to Shay's insights we were also very fortunate to have Kirk there to get his

Kirk sees this stuff on a daily basis and the F bombs were really flying during this part of the lecture. Point taken.

Thank you Shay for a great class and thank you Steve for providing us with the range. This event was a huge success and I look forward to setting up more in the near future! Our first INGO training day will be a tough act to follow but as Shay suggested... Let's continue to seek out as much good training as possible and keep making payments.