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| Mindset ![]() Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Indy
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Another OODA Loop article The mental aspects of fighting are too often ignored in favor of talking about guns and gear. I appreciate the two articles that have already been posted by W9ZEB. The OODA Loop concept is a very important topic, so I thought I would post another article to provide the readers of this forum even more information. Quote:
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Excellent, Shay. I really like how this one explains a lot more about different influences on your reaction time.
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| INGO Cardinal of Communications ![]() | I agree. I think each of the three Articles on OODA Loop bring something else to the table.
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | These kinds of threads are why I'm here. Good read to both of you who posted lately. I had an opportunity to sit in on a presentation by John Hearn a few years back on the OODA loop concept, and how it applies to personal defense. It was a real eye opener. One of the best things I took away from it was a true definition of what the orientation portion of the OODA loop was meant to be. I also took away a better understanding of not only the need to get "inside" the threat's OODA loop, but also some of the things that can be used to "reset" his loop. Again, great reads guys. For those of you out there looking for an edge in a defensive situation, this is it, not the newest whiz bang or poke stick. The thing so many people don't seem to fully grasp is the need to train these "soft skills" as hard, or harder than your "hard skills". Just so everyone understands the difference, the hard skills and soft skills terms were coined by someone, I can't recall who right now, over on TPI. They refer to the software (gray matter) required to survive the confrontation, and the hardware (tools and physical skill sets) required. I really liked that definition, guess it made sense to me so I've kind of kept it. Tinman.... |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | i should have read this thread and tinman's reply prior to posting on the other. all three articles (so far) are excellent. very important data to use in developing our own "operating system" to take the software analogy a bit further. consider the sooda loop, adding situational awareness to the equation as a base to begin learning to get inside, or reset, as tinman writes, the threats loop. i hope we can all agree that understanding this is more important than any hardware. jmho. the sooda loop observation is shamelessly stolen from henk iversson. the idea had been niggling about in my mind for some time, but henk verbalized and demonstrated it to the class. none of us are reinventing the wheel, what works, works, but as we train with others we add more spokes. hopefully those spokes are meaningful and we pass them along.
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | As it was initially presented to me, the Observe phase in the OODA loop included one's situational awareness. without SA, you would never observe a potential threat on approach, thus never have the opportunity to observe their actions and formulate the follow on phases of the OODA loop. At least that's how I recall the initial presentations. Tinman..... |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Quote:
There is another school I have been to that teaches "The ODA loop". It's another derivation and I have long forgotten the exact meaning of the acronym. I don't think modifying the OODA loop by adding or subtracting letters has really moved the concept forward.
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | tinman, shay, your take on the SA in my version (borrowed of course) is correct as far as it goes. my take on it differs slightly. our instinctive ooda loop starts with the startle which by definition would mean, to me, that there was no SA. that is the point at which i'm referring to SA in this context. barring a constant, if low level, condition of alert or when acting in the role of the aggressor (as the good guy of course) this is when, by the definition i work with "kicks in". true, if we are alert, situational aware as it were, then SA is definitely part of the observe phase. the human mind simply cannot assimilate all that data 24/7. even those of us who make it our business to stay alert cannot do so all the time. when we are alert, we can process the incoming data in a more organized fashion, either avoiding or confronting threats. more of a continuum actually. but when surprised? it is that of which i write. i agree with you both that SA is part of the ALERT individuals observe phase. shay, i'm greatly interested in the ODA acronym. hope you can remember and share it with us.
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Anything that helps communicate the importance of being aware ahead of time will help instill the essential aspects of this OODA business. If you need to add an extra letter, and it helps get that accomplished, then it clearly does have a benefit. Heck, the original Cooper/API color code system has had a color added, right? Not necessary, but for some it clarifies and emphasizes ideas that may otherwise get lost in the translation.
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