I am amazed he was acquitted...

[Bazooka Joe71]

I'm sorry but these scumbags got that they deserved....plain and simple! If you don't wanna die, DON'T COMMIT THE FREAKING CRIME!!!!!

It's called an occupational hazard.

So you feel that your life is being threatened by someone stealing a cookie from your so called cookie jar?

Absolutely not...I do, however, feel my life is being threatened if there is a piece of sh*t standing in my kitchen uninvited.

[Bill of Rights]

Originally Posted by ashylarry

What is a CCW permit?

So you feel that your life is being threatened by someone stealing a cookie from your so called cookie jar?

CCW permit: Generic term including CFP, LTCH, etc. In this case, a trivial detail that doesn't matter in this discussion.

Originally Posted by Bazooka Joe71

Absolutely not...I do, however, feel my life is being threatened if there is a piece of sh*t standing in my kitchen uninvited.

And really, to be honest, even at 3AM, if someone comes in and is just standing calmly at my cookie jar, no, I'm not likely to shoot him, but who's going to be in your house at 3AM or any other time JUST to steal a cookie from the jar? to Bazooka Joe; if I feel he or she's a threat in my house, he or she will (maybe) have one chance to get on the floor or high-tail it out the door farthest from me. Any other move is likely to result in gunfire from my direction.

Blessings,
B

[ashylarry]

what kind of cookies are we talking about?

[Bill of Rights]

Originally Posted by ashylarry

what kind of cookies are we talking about?

OK, now that might be a significant detail. Touch my chocolate chocolate chips and you're a dead man.

Nobody messes with the double chocolate. Grr.

Blessings,
B

[ashylarry]

Originally Posted by Bill of Rights

OK, now that might be a significant detail. Touch my chocolate chocolate chips and you're a dead man.

Nobody messes with the double chocolate. Grr.

Blessings,
B

fuckin right!

[Scutter01]

Originally Posted by Bill of Rights

And really, to be honest, even at 3AM, if someone comes in and is just standing calmly at my cookie jar, no, I'm not likely to shoot him, but who's going to be in your house at 3AM or any other time JUST to steal a cookie from the jar?

The main difference between the cookie jar metaphor and what actually happened in this guy's case was that they were robbing a neighbor's house and he left the safety of his own home to escalate the situation, and ultimately ended up shooting them in the back. Personally, I didn't see any instance where his life was being threatened.

[Bill of Rights]

Originally Posted by Scutter01

The main difference between the cookie jar metaphor and what actually happened in this guy's case was that they were robbing a neighbor's house and he left the safety of his own home to escalate the situation, and ultimately ended up shooting them in the back. Personally, I didn't see any instance where his life was being threatened.

Yup. There wasn't one until he disregarded the dispatcher's directions and went outside. Sometimes, it's better to be a good witness. Mr. Horn was protecting his neighbor's belongings, however our guns are, in fact, for defending against immediate threats to life or limb. That said, we have forever to think about this and discuss it with all the whys and wherefores, and too, IN law does seem to permit the use of even deadly force solely to terminate someone's unlawful entry into his home, yard, or occupied motor vehicle if that level of force is deemed necessary to achieve that result.
Indiana Code 35-41-3

Without a threat of violence, I cannot think of any real circumstance when that level of force would be required to terminate someone's unlawful entry. Short of the use of deadly force, one can ask or tell the trespasser to leave, can physically force his/her departure, or can call 911 and have the folks in blue do the same. (remember, that's when there is no threat of violence. I just can't get my crystal ball working enough to tell me with 100% accuracy when there is no such threat.)

I'd say Mr. Horn did the right thing in the (very) wrong way. He defended that which belonged to his neighbor, which is admirable. A camera would have been a better choice of weapon, backed up by his sidearm if he was seen photographing or taking video.

Blessings,
B

[Bazooka Joe71]

Originally Posted by ashylarry

what kind of cookies are we talking about?

Macadamia nut.

But seriously, the last thing I ever want to do is kill someone, especially over property...Not that I'd feel bad that one less turd is off the street, but the legal fees would be ridiculous.

Unfortunately my house is set up to where if you want to steel something valuable, you will have to pass where I am sleeping and if I here you and get up, fleeing is not an option. So the BG will either:

1. Get on the floor and be held at gunpoint until the police arrive.

2. Run towards the door(which is at me).



Running towards the door is not a good idea.

[Scutter01]

Originally Posted by Bill of Rights

I'd say Mr. Horn did the right thing in the (very) wrong way. He defended that which belonged to his neighbor, which is admirable. A camera would have been a better choice of weapon, backed up by his sidearm if he was seen photographing or taking video.

[Bill of Rights]

Originally Posted by Bazooka Joe71

...the BG will either:

1. Get on the floor and be held at gunpoint until the police arrive.

2. Run towards the door(which is at me).

3. Out a window? Or is that not an option?

Originally Posted by Scutter01

Thanks!

Blessings,
B