BG in your house

[4sarge]

Originally Posted by Scutter01

It's also in the URL in the address bar, so you have an easy reference if you've already clicked on the link.

I didn't notice either until after I had posted. Why not make this a password protected area, give the password to women only and then us meddling men won't be posting. When I originally posted I did not realize that Spasmo was a female. I personally know a few from Glock Talk but not many new identities from here. That said, I think that the men deserve a Men Only area to discuss "our" sensitive issues

[Pami]

Originally Posted by 4sarge

I didn't notice either until after I had posted. Why not make this a password protected area, give the password to women only and then us meddling men won't be posting. When I originally posted I did not realize that Spasmo was a female. I personally know a few from Glock Talk but not many new identities from here. That said, I think that the men deserve a Men Only area to discuss "our" sensitive issues

Because sometimes men have something useful to add to the discussion.
Or have questions that women might be able to answer.
For example, I moved peterock's question about how to get his girlfriend more comfortable with firearms to this forum because it seemed pertinent to women's issues... IE, how to get a woman who is new to and/or against firearms able to at least accept that firearms are in the house, or in an ideal world, get her as excited about firearms as he is.

We don't want to push men out; we just want to recognize that sometimes the shooting world is different for women than it is for men. This thread for example... for men, protecting the house is a practical/logical response. "There is a threat. It must be stopped. End of discussion." For women, it's an emotional response. "There is a threat. What are the consequences?"

Ladies feel free to disagree and correct me.

[4sarge]

Originally Posted by Pami

Because sometimes men have something useful to add to the discussion.
Or have questions that women might be able to answer.
For example, I moved peterock's question about how to get his girlfriend more comfortable with firearms to this forum because it seemed pertinent to women's issues... IE, how to get a woman who is new to and/or against firearms able to at least accept that firearms are in the house, or in an ideal world, get her as excited about firearms as he is.

We don't want to push men out; we just want to recognize that sometimes the shooting world is different for women than it is for men. This thread for example... for men, protecting the house is a practical/logical response. "There is a threat. It must be stopped. End of discussion." For women, it's an emotional response. "There is a threat. What are the consequences?"

Ladies feel free to disagree and correct me.

I do not see the difference when firearms are involved for personal protection. I've always worked with police women who didn't seem bothered at all by capping some perp. Many probably had a high testosterone level but I think that it's more an individual determination, mindset and training level. I do not want to be paired with a weak sister or a weak dude for that matter. I want someone who is going to take care of business when need be, no hesitation, just do the JOB. Women can do it and do perform as well as men on most occasions. I also strongly feel that a person should never carry a firearm (man or woman) for self defense if they do not have the mind set to use it and that use may very well entail the taking of another's life.

[spasmo]

Originally Posted by 4sarge

I do not see the difference when firearms are involved for personal protection. I've always worked with police women who didn't seem bothered at all by capping some perp. Many probably had a high testosterone level but I think that it's more an individual determination, mindset and training level. I do not want to be paired with a weak sister or a weak dude for that matter. I want someone who is going to take care of business when need be, no hesitation, just do the JOB. Women can do it and do perform as well as men on most occasions. I also strongly feel that a person should never carry a firearm (man or woman) for self defense if they do not have the mind set to use it and that use may very well entail the taking of another's life.

For crying out loud... you are telling me because I don't want to kill someone that I shouldn't carry a gun? Some people might suggest that someone so willing to kill a person shouldn't carry a gun, but I wont. I have pretty much taken offense to that entire post of yours and that's certainly not because I believe it.

Originally Posted by 4sarge

When I originally posted I did not realize that Spasmo was a female.

There is only one Spasmo and that is me. That has been my "Internet name" since around 1989 when it was given to me in college. so anyone else using it, stole it!

[Nathan]

easy there fellas. i'm interested in this thread for the simple reason that my wife isn't the worlds most comfortable with the idea of guns but it's my intention of getting her more involed in target practice soon

[indyjoe]

Originally Posted by spasmo

For crying out loud... you are telling me because I don't want to kill someone that I shouldn't carry a gun? Some people might suggest that someone so willing to kill a person shouldn't carry a gun, but I wont. I have pretty much taken offense to that entire post of yours and that's certainly not because I believe it.

I don't think Sarge is saying you should WANT to kill someone. I doubt anyone does. However, you should be prepared to do so if the situation required it. If you are not prepared to shoot someone, you shouldn't be carrying a gun. That is different than WANTING to kill someone.

[4sarge]

Originally Posted by spasmo

For crying out loud... you are telling me because I don't want to kill someone that I shouldn't carry a gun? Some people might suggest that someone so willing to kill a person shouldn't carry a gun, but I wont. I have pretty much taken offense to that entire post of yours and that's certainly not because I believe it.

There is only one Spasmo and that is me. That has been my "Internet name" since around 1989 when it was given to me in college. so anyone else using it, stole it!

There are many people (male & female) involved in shooting sports who never carry a gun for personal protection and what I said was that IMO a person should not rely on a handgun for personal defense if they are not willing to use it. That is just plain common sense.

If someone is shot a consequence of that action could result in the death of the person shot. That action in its-self carries a grave responsibility. If you carry a handgun, pull it on someone else who is armed and not willing to (or reluctant) pull the trigger then you yourself may very well become a casualty.

As far as the name spasmo, I said that it doesn't translate to a male or female persona to me and since we have never met I didn't realize that you were female.

Like it or not, offended or not police officers, soldiers etc are trained to use their firearms for their protection and the protection of others. Training, everyday carry and a firm commitment to ones self to come home alive at the end of your shift mandates the philosophy.

[4sarge]

Originally Posted by indyjoe

I don't think Sarge is saying you should WANT to kill someone. I doubt anyone does. However, you should be prepared to do so if the situation required it. If you are not prepared to shoot someone, you shouldn't be carrying a gun. That is different than WANTING to kill someone.

Thank You - Exactly my thought well stated

and I standby my statement of "I also strongly feel that a person should never carry a firearm (man or woman) for self defense if they do not have the mind set to use it and that use may very well entail the taking of another's life".

[Dogman]

Originally Posted by indyjoe

I don't think Sarge is saying you should WANT to kill someone. I doubt anyone does. However, you should be prepared to do so if the situation required it. If you are not prepared to shoot someone, you shouldn't be carrying a gun. That is different than WANTING to kill someone.

Oh, I've known a few that wanted to and did, you should shoot until the threat is no longer a threat.

[Pami]

Ok, I put off posting the last couple of hours because I was frustrated... confused... out of sorts... whatever... at 4sarge's post also. (Please don't take that as a personal attack, I was just surprised and am still not sure how to respond, actually.)

It did lead me to the question, though, whether you have talked firearms with women who were not police officers, nor competition shooters, nor were victims. They all have completely different mindsets. What about the woman standing in the middle of those groups?

I agree that if you don't have the mindset to accept you might have to kill someone that you shouldn't carry (it's one of the several reasons I do NOT carry right now), but this thread is specifically about defending your home. I'm doing things in baby steps. We have guns in the house. I went to the range to learn how to safely handle a gun. I have taken several trainings to continue to improve my comfort handling firearms. I am working toward developing the mindset that Bad Things could happen, and I'm hoping that it doesn't happen before I'm ready for that. I'm hoping that Bad Things don't happen at all, actually. But that's not how life works, and if it did happen before I'm ready, how would I respond?

I accept that you want to work with someone will just do the job, but how do we work on getting that person in to that mindset to begin with? Think of it from that perspective. You can't just hand a gun to someone who is afraid of firearms and expect her to have your back because she's suddenly developed the right mindset. You also don't want your SO to be so afraid of guns that she cries when she sees yours. How do you get her from point A to point B, and how would you want her to react to an intruder in the house if she were somewhere between points A and B?