Looking for options for my daughter - Page 2

nobletucky · 09-08-2008

My two cents, RELOVER. Pepper spray and knives are good, but if a guy did enter her room or residency, pepper spray will put the guy behind bars for maybe 10-15 years? maybe-who knows? And she will have to live the next 10-15 years of her life thinking about that release date. Use a revolver, or semi auto, finish the job, and she does not have to live in fear of the day "THAT MAN" gets out of jail. You don't want to see her live in fear of an earthly monster. Put the devil in his grave and fear no more. Just my two cents.
Just make it fun for her to start out with. Take her to the range, make sure she shoots better than you as a way to encourage her. Thats how I got my daughter hooked on her Marlin .22 when she was 9 years old. We go to the range now, and I don't get a chance to shoot, she loves it. And just recently she asked to shoot my Kel Tec PF9, she liked it, put about 20-30 rounds through it. So a KT PF-9 is another option if you feel comfortable w/ her not having a safety button- Thats a dad call though. But easy on the pressure. Encouagement and praise should get her diggin it.
Good Luck!

Annie · 09-08-2008

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Originally Posted by nobletucky

but if a guy did enter her room or residency, pepper spray will put the guy behind bars for maybe 10-15 years? maybe-who knows? And she will have to live the next 10-15 years of her life thinking about that release date. Use a revolver, or semi auto, finish the job, and she does not have to live in fear of the day "THAT MAN" gets out of jail. You don't want to see her live in fear of an earthly monster. Put the devil in his grave and fear no more. Just my two cents.

Whoa whoa whoa there, pardner...
I think it's gotta be her decision what she feels capable of doing and IF she feels able to draw a bead on a human, much less pull the trigger. I'm advocating personal protection shooting classes that go into every day mindset, defensive training, and that sort of thing before just chucking a shooter in her hands and saying "Now you can shoot him dead, honey!"

Jeremiah · 09-08-2008

Also if your daughter isn't old enough to get a carry permit, or isn't interested in carrying, can I recomend a carbine. mount a flashlight and leave it close, they tend to be powered by pistol rounds and have litte or no recoil. are more accurate in untrained hands then pistols and will probably lead to more confidence in your daughters handling of the firearm

Pami · 09-09-2008

Moving this to the Women & Firearms forum, since this is leaning heavily toward .. well, Women & Firearms.

Crystalship1 · 09-09-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by nobletucky

My two cents, RELOVER.

As in ... "to LOVE again"???

Annie · 09-09-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crystalship1

As in ... "to LOVE again"???

...better than to never have loved at all?
OK, it was close enough!...

Tinman · 09-15-2008

You really should read the thread on wifey wants her own. The same rules apply whether it's your wife, daughter, son, brother, mom, dad, best friend, whatever. THEY should pick what's best for them.

As far as tasers and pepper spray, yes there are inert models of the peperspray, but not the taser. Training is essential with these tools. They are not full proof, so you need to be prepared for a plan B if you don't get the results you expect. Tasers pose a problem both for getting them, as well as the legals. I know a lot of jurisdictions are playing games with classing those as LE only. "stun Guns" are little more than a novelty, I don't recall ever hearing a story where one was used as a true self defense tool. Not to mention the issue of needing to be in contact with the threat to be of value.

I'll throw a few things out there on the pepper spray. I am not aware of any jurisdiction that considers it lethal force, so it has some legal advantages to other options. It also gives you a bit more leeway to use without quite so much fear of legal repercussions. In my last OC class, the instructor (Paul Gomez) had a real interesting take. He said pepper spray gives you a moment in time to do something else about the threat. That's all. The misconception that the threat goes down screaming in pain the instant you spray him just isn't true. It will affect them, as someone who has been exposed multiple times, I can tell you that you never develop an immunity to it. It sucks every single time. What you do develop is an understanding of your physical reactions that helps to negate the panic that normally sets in with first exposure. I recommend that if you’re going to carry it, you go through an exposure training class so you have an idea of the affects of the stuff. In all likelihood, if you deploy it, you will be cross contaminated and you need to know what to expect. My last class, we were sprayed, had to run 25 yards back to the line of waiting victims, oh I mean student, then run back to the spot you were exposed where there was an instructor with a kick pad. You had to strike that pad until the lead instructor was confident you had done enough to persuade the attacked to leave. The point of the exercise was not let’s spray 20 unsuspecting students, but to prove the point that if you can fight through the affects, so can a bad guy. You have one instant when the attackers eyes close, what you do in that instant determines success or failure.

Just a few thoughts for you all. Maybe it’s about time for a few hour pepper spray class? Any one interested? I'm always looking for a reason to paint people orange

Tinman…..

munky_3434 · 09-15-2008

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Originally Posted by Tinman

as someone who has been exposed multiple times, I can tell you that you never develop an immunity to it. It sucks every single time.

Just a few thoughts for you all. Maybe it’s about time for a few hour pepper spray class? Any one interested? I'm always looking for a reason to paint people orange

Tinman…..

and no thanks on the training. i have had more than i would ever care to have had (once is enough)

Tinman · 09-20-2008

Oh come on, it aint that bad

Besides, if I told everybody it sucks, they'd never let me spray them. What fun would that be?

Tinman....

rhino · 09-20-2008

I can't even tolerate the crushed red pepper at pizza places on my food. Pepper spray in my eyes would be unpleasant indeed, and I would not volunteer to have it done to me. If someone did it to me, I suspect it might anger me.

09-08-2008	#13 (permalink)
Jeremiah Marksman Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Avilla, IN Posts: 493	Also if your daughter isn't old enough to get a carry permit, or isn't interested in carrying, can I recomend a carbine. mount a flashlight and leave it close, they tend to be powered by pistol rounds and have litte or no recoil. are more accurate in untrained hands then pistols and will probably lead to more confidence in your daughters handling of the firearm __________________ "Those who beat their guns into plows will plow for those with guns..." --Thomas Jefferson "No guns= No revolution= No America" Ben Franklin

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09-08-2008	#11 (permalink)
nobletucky Plinker Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Central Indiana Posts: 106	My two cents, RELOVER. Pepper spray and knives are good, but if a guy did enter her room or residency, pepper spray will put the guy behind bars for maybe 10-15 years? maybe-who knows? And she will have to live the next 10-15 years of her life thinking about that release date. Use a revolver, or semi auto, finish the job, and she does not have to live in fear of the day "THAT MAN" gets out of jail. You don't want to see her live in fear of an earthly monster. Put the devil in his grave and fear no more. Just my two cents. Just make it fun for her to start out with. Take her to the range, make sure she shoots better than you as a way to encourage her. Thats how I got my daughter hooked on her Marlin .22 when she was 9 years old. We go to the range now, and I don't get a chance to shoot, she loves it. And just recently she asked to shoot my Kel Tec PF9, she liked it, put about 20-30 rounds through it. So a KT PF-9 is another option if you feel comfortable w/ her not having a safety button- Thats a dad call though. But easy on the pressure. Encouagement and praise should get her diggin it. Good Luck!

09-15-2008	#17 (permalink)
Tinman I'm just enjoying the show! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: North Central Indiana (Most of the time) Posts: 389	You really should read the thread on wifey wants her own. The same rules apply whether it's your wife, daughter, son, brother, mom, dad, best friend, whatever. THEY should pick what's best for them. As far as tasers and pepper spray, yes there are inert models of the peperspray, but not the taser. Training is essential with these tools. They are not full proof, so you need to be prepared for a plan B if you don't get the results you expect. Tasers pose a problem both for getting them, as well as the legals. I know a lot of jurisdictions are playing games with classing those as LE only. "stun Guns" are little more than a novelty, I don't recall ever hearing a story where one was used as a true self defense tool. Not to mention the issue of needing to be in contact with the threat to be of value. I'll throw a few things out there on the pepper spray. I am not aware of any jurisdiction that considers it lethal force, so it has some legal advantages to other options. It also gives you a bit more leeway to use without quite so much fear of legal repercussions. In my last OC class, the instructor (Paul Gomez) had a real interesting take. He said pepper spray gives you a moment in time to do something else about the threat. That's all. The misconception that the threat goes down screaming in pain the instant you spray him just isn't true. It will affect them, as someone who has been exposed multiple times, I can tell you that you never develop an immunity to it. It sucks every single time. What you do develop is an understanding of your physical reactions that helps to negate the panic that normally sets in with first exposure. I recommend that if you’re going to carry it, you go through an exposure training class so you have an idea of the affects of the stuff. In all likelihood, if you deploy it, you will be cross contaminated and you need to know what to expect. My last class, we were sprayed, had to run 25 yards back to the line of waiting victims, oh I mean student, then run back to the spot you were exposed where there was an instructor with a kick pad. You had to strike that pad until the lead instructor was confident you had done enough to persuade the attacked to leave. The point of the exercise was not let’s spray 20 unsuspecting students, but to prove the point that if you can fight through the affects, so can a bad guy. You have one instant when the attackers eyes close, what you do in that instant determines success or failure. Just a few thoughts for you all. Maybe it’s about time for a few hour pepper spray class? Any one interested? I'm always looking for a reason to paint people orange Tinman…..

09-20-2008	#19 (permalink)
Tinman I'm just enjoying the show! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: North Central Indiana (Most of the time) Posts: 389	Oh come on, it aint that bad Besides, if I told everybody it sucks, they'd never let me spray them. What fun would that be? Tinman....