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  • richardraw316

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    I have been thinking about this one for a while, and have ran into a wall. I and a few others i have heard of on the internet would like someone to make a new pistol in 7.62x25 tokarev. A new double stack magazine design. the round has very good potential. Impacts like a 357 magnum, and cost less than 9mm. Yes that is surplus ammo. It is corrosive but you should clean your weapon after every use either way. The case is the same a 9mm necked down to .30. I have test fit it in a pt-92 magazine, it is just to long for the mag. The taurus pt-92 ejection port is plenty long enough to work, but even with the right barrel there is not enough space in the rear of the grip. It can not be lenthed back there because thats where the hammer spring is. I have been trying to find a glock or something like it that will work with modification. I have talked to efk firedragon about a custom barrel, and pretty much told me to get lost. I know there must be a market for this weapon. Sig spent lots of money in research and development into the 357 sig round. Just to produce a round thats hits a little harder than the 40 cal it was made out of. Ammo is real expensive too. All that money to get 357 mag performance, and we already had something from WW2 that does it just fine. Any thoughts on how to do a convertion, where to start. or you can just tell me that i am out of my mind. Thanks:ar15:
     

    richardraw316

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    uhhm thank you for the quick reply. but i was really trying to find something with a double stack mag. 1300 is a lot of money, but a cool weapon none the less. if i had the money i would definetly buy one. tt33 offers a single stack mag that holds 8. imo it is just really ugly, and it would be nice to hold like 15-20 rounds in a mag. but thanks anyway.
     

    gunman41mag

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    OK, Try a GLOCK 20, cause the 10MM case is 10X25, buy another barrel have it relined to .308 & you'll have your double-stack grip, you mite have to use a 40S&W guide rod spring for the 7.62X25
     

    1911 nut

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    Get a Para-Ordnance P-18 9mm they will also accept .38 super with a barrel change. You will probably have to talk to Bar-Sto for a barrel.
     
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    gunman41mag

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    problem, will the extractor on a 10 mm grab the rim of a 9mm? if not do you know how to change it?
    I figure the GLOCK & EAA WITNESS will be the two cheapest gun to change over to 7.62x25. The EAA WITNESS makes guns in 38 SUPER, so you mite not need to change the recoil spring. Yes I think I would try the EAA WITNESS first cause it will be easier than the GLOCK;)
     

    Indy_Guy_77

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    The issue you'll have with the Tok cartridge is the rim.

    You'll get rim-lock.

    Why do you think that the CZ-52 and the TT-33 were all single stack?

    -J-
     

    Indy_Guy_77

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    If you care to read up on the dimensions of the 7.62x25 case, you'll note that the base of the cartridge has a diameter of 9.7mm. The rim has a diameter of 9.9mm.

    That means...astonishingly...that it's a rimmed case. It's semi-rimmed, but it IS a rimmed case.

    The Winchester 9mm Magnum, conversely, has a case base diameter of 9.93mm and a rim diameter of 10.0mm.

    -J-
     

    fireball168

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    There are more than a few that have made them work recently in 1911's - although I can't say any that I've seen were high capacity frames.

    I was looking hard for a 9mm/38 Super 1911 slide awhile back, but got busy with other projects and haven't chased it for awhile now.

    7.62x25 Conversion Barrel kit For 1911 Gov models in 9mm or 38 Super - $189.95 | Slickguns

    Gun Parts Corporation was advertising those barrels several months ago as well, but they didn't last long.

    1911 5 INCH (7.62X25 TOKAREV) Barrels for sale, gun classifieds or gun auction from Hal Baker. Buy or bid on this 1911 5 INCH (7.62X25 TOKAREV) in the category Barrels on GunsAmerica.

    7.62x25 Tokarev Barrel kit, 5 inch, for 1911 Gov't models in 9mm or 38 Super. New, by J&G Sales.


    I seem to recall finding a high capacity 38 Super or 9x25 magazine that was being touted as accepting a "super long" OAL - but I can't find my info at the moment.
     

    Disposable Heart

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    I'm still saving for the RIA double stack that is chambered in 9mm and has a conversion barrel for .22 TCM (9x19 necked down to .224 and yes, it exists, rather than the .223 BOZ stuff we can't find anywhere :) ).

    Also, when the surplus Tok dries up, people will likely be less inclined to want Tok conversions for stuff. At our range, when the Tok stuff was EVERYWHERE and $5 for 72 rounds, we saw tons of those guns. When only the Polish stuff was available and higher cost, the Tok firing guns ran away. That being said, handloaders are having a field day with velocity with the Tok. ;)
     

    richardraw316

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    If you care to read up on the dimensions of the 7.62x25 case, you'll note that the base of the cartridge has a diameter of 9.7mm. The rim has a diameter of 9.9mm.

    That means...astonishingly...that it's a rimmed case. It's semi-rimmed, but it IS a rimmed case.

    The Winchester 9mm Magnum, conversely, has a case base diameter of 9.93mm and a rim diameter of 10.0mm.

    -J-
    Instead of reading about it, i went to the horses mouth. Case 9.77, Rim 9.8, by technical terms. rim but not enough to cause the rims to catch on each other. measurements taken from digital caliper. just for arguement 9mm. case 9.89, Rim 9.94. now im sure diffent ammo brands differ slightly but i dont think anyone would call 9mm rimmed. 9mm cheap steal ammo first measurement, Hornady is case 9.82, Rim 9.80. weird smaller on this make. i just cant while looking at ammo, could not in any way call this rimmed ammo. but hell im no expert, we will let who ever designed it to name it whatever they want.
     

    richardraw316

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    The issue you'll have with the Tok cartridge is the rim.

    You'll get rim-lock.

    Why do you think that the CZ-52 and the TT-33 were all single stack?

    -J-
    i would say the ppsh-41 came with a 35 round magazine, it was not a single stack.

    Now can we please get back to the subject at hand instead of argueing, if i am going to make or have someone make this pistol, i am going to need all the help i can get. Friends?
     

    richardraw316

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    I'm still saving for the RIA double stack that is chambered in 9mm and has a conversion barrel for .22 TCM (9x19 necked down to .224 and yes, it exists, rather than the .223 BOZ stuff we can't find anywhere :) ).

    Also, when the surplus Tok dries up, people will likely be less inclined to want Tok conversions for stuff. At our range, when the Tok stuff was EVERYWHERE and $5 for 72 rounds, we saw tons of those guns. When only the Polish stuff was available and higher cost, the Tok firing guns ran away. That being said, handloaders are having a field day with velocity with the Tok. ;)
    The problem is I and im sure others do not want the tok to disapear. It only takes one reputable manufacture to build a decent weapon, and the ammo will soon follow. Example would be the 10mm. "Had not Colt made the rather surprising decision in 1987 to bring out their Delta Elite pistol, a 10mm Auto version of the Government Model, the cartridge might have sunk into obsolescence, becoming an obscure footnote in firearms history." Ripped directly from wikipedia. No cause is dead while their is still one fool to fight for it. I am still waiting taurus to write me back,but maybe it is time i start ringing more bells. S and W, Glock, maybe even ruger. hopefully someone a whole lot smarter than me will see the value in this weapon.
     

    richardraw316

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    There are more than a few that have made them work recently in 1911's - although I can't say any that I've seen were high capacity frames.

    I was looking hard for a 9mm/38 Super 1911 slide awhile back, but got busy with other projects and haven't chased it for awhile now.

    7.62x25 Conversion Barrel kit For 1911 Gov models in 9mm or 38 Super - $189.95 | Slickguns

    Gun Parts Corporation was advertising those barrels several months ago as well, but they didn't last long.

    1911 5 INCH (7.62X25 TOKAREV) Barrels for sale, gun classifieds or gun auction from Hal Baker. Buy or bid on this 1911 5 INCH (7.62X25 TOKAREV) in the category Barrels on GunsAmerica.

    7.62x25 Tokarev Barrel kit, 5 inch, for 1911 Gov't models in 9mm or 38 Super. New, by J&G Sales.


    I seem to recall finding a high capacity 38 Super or 9x25 magazine that was being touted as accepting a "super long" OAL - but I can't find my info at the moment.
    Did you watch that video? It sounded like that pistol went full auto at the end. not sure if that builds my confidance. lol
     

    doctrpt

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    update,
    lonewolf has not answered.
    but it has only been five months. maybe i need to be more patient.
    any body else got any new ideas?
    Maybe a kinder tone in your general approach? I haven't got a dog in the fight, and frankly have only a passing interest in the subject here. But, I read the entire thread and almost all you seem to do is criticize, incite, and shout down. How does that help your effort? Is being "absolutely" right worth not having a single person on your side to answer? Even the title of the thread comes off as rude, as if you feel it is your RIGHT to demand that Gunsmiths on the group speak to you. Perhaps a little kindness and humility would go a long way toward moving your ideas and desires forward.:dunno:
     
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