At least 26 dead in shooting at Connecticut elementary school

[Bunnykid68]

This guy obviously knew how to use it. His SHTF mom taught him well, despite knowing that he was mentally ill. Much to her chagrin at the very end, I'm sure.

Not all teachers are liberals, and at any rate, not all heroes are chest thumping conservatives.

Teacher disarms school shooter « A Blog About Heroes

Why don't you do a little Google search on teachers/faculty who have acted as heroes during school shootings, including disarming the gunman or putting themselves between the shooter and students?

There are quite a few men and women who have served this country well, regardless of their political leanings. Grow up.

Who here isn't capable(not mentally) of shooting 26 people up close with a rifle with little to no training while you expend a few hundred rounds?

 

[Hookeye]

Who here isn't capable(not mentally) of shooting 26 people (many of them children) up close (in confined area(s) with a rifle with little to no training (and no known legal threat of retaliation) while you expend a few hundred rounds?

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[Bunnykid68]

fixed

Thanks hero

 

[Solitaire]

You assume that an unarmed person would still fight.
Being that many teachers are liberals............yeah right.
What friggin' planet you live on?
You must not remember a while back, in Britain, a guy with a double barrel shotgun walked around for a good while blasting people.
Sheep, there are lots of them over there, and here.

BTW, not everybody knows how to shoot well.
And just because the evil POS chose an AR15 that doesn't mean his effects were maximized.
I have yet to see how many rounds he expended total.

He might have shot sloppy, because he had an AR15 (or similar), and that slop might have allowed some to live.

Who here isn't capable(not mentally) of shooting 26 people up close with a rifle with little to no training while you expend a few hundred rounds?

I was responding to Hookeye, who apparently thinks that a single action revolver is equally effective as an AR-15. I don't know his skill level, but I have extensive experience with the AR platform, and its operation ain't rocket science. You are exactly right, Bunnykid, it takes very little skill to be proficient with an AR, or any other high capacity semiauto platform. Arguments to the contrary are just silly and dishonest.

 

[Bunnykid68]

I was responding to Hookeye, who apparently thinks that a single action revolver is equally effective as an AR-15. I don't know his skill level, but I have extensive experience with the AR platform, and its operation ain't rocket science. You are exactly right, Bunnykid, it takes very little skill to be proficient with an AR, or any other high capacity semiauto platform. Arguments to the contrary are just silly and dishonest.

or a short sword and a mace

 

[Hookeye]

It doesn't take much skill, I'm guessing, to shoot kids in a classroom.
And with no legal threat of stoppage/harm, he had time to employ whatever equipment he chose.
As for his choices, we don't know how well he used them.
An AR15 might have helped him kill more, but we don't know that for a fact and stating that it did is just playing along with the media.
A determined killer might use something else and rack up a higher effective ratio.
Maybe, maybe not.
Can't say an AR by virtue of being high capacity alone, was a major determiner of the level of damage.
We don't have all the facts, and may never.

 

[Hookeye]

I was responding to Hookeye, who apparently thinks that a single action revolver is equally effective as an AR-15. I don't know his skill level, but I have extensive experience with the AR platform, and its operation ain't rocket science. You are exactly right, Bunnykid, it takes very little skill to be proficient with an AR, or any other high capacity semiauto platform. Arguments to the contrary are just silly and dishonest.

And how do we know he was proficient?

His number is at 26.........from out of how many rounds and broken down by what weapon, distances etc?

I've seen quite a few people on the ranges with AR's and similar who shoot like total crap, who think firepower alone makes up for lack of accuracy.

How do you know how well the shooter employed his equipment choices?
For that you must know the number of rounds fired, distances, hit ratio, etc.

I for one don't want to know more about what the sicko did.

Just throwing this out there to make people think and not play to the hype of the media.

Again, how does being crazy affect equipment usage?

Not a damn one of us here would know that.

So to make claims of how for friggin' sure something was of effect, considering the freshness of the terrible event and the awesome truth telling of the media...............oh why friggin' bother.

 

[Solitaire]

or a short sword and a mace

Nope. No other small arm is as devastatingly effective as a high capacity long arm, in either trained or barely trained hands.

Which portable small arm would you choose to go to combat with if you had to tomorrow?

 

[whitetailbowhunter]

Can't say an AR by virtue of being high capacity alone, was a major determiner of the level of damage.
We don't have all the facts, and may never.

You cannot honestly beleive that a single shot revolver and a backpack full of loose ammo would have had the exact outcome in this tragedy. An AR simply cannot even compare to the rate of fire from a single shot, semi-auto pistol, or many other styles.

I don't think "assault weapons" should be under fire from the media or go into an AWB; however, with the .223 semi-auto shooting as fast as that peice of **** could pull the trigger, it was in fact a major determiner of the level of damage at Sandy Hook.

 

[Solitaire]

You cannot honestly beleive that a single shot revolver and a backpack full of loose ammo would have had the exact outcome in this tragedy. An AR simply cannot even compare to the rate of fire from a single shot, semi-auto pistol, or many other styles.

I don't think "assault weapons" should be under fire from the media or go into an AWB; however, with the .223 semi-auto shooting as fast as that peice of **** could pull the trigger, it was in fact a major determiner of the level of damage at Sandy Hook.

Only a blind person could not see that. Or a dishonest one.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Nope. No other small arm is as devastatingly effective as a high capacity long arm, in either trained or barely trained hands.

Which portable small arm would you choose to go to combat with if you had to tomorrow?

In a school against 400 little kids and a handful of adults I could do much more damage than this guy did. But to answer your question I would take a rifle every single time for combat.

 

[jedi]

Nope. No other small arm is as devastatingly effective as a high capacity long arm, in either trained or barely trained hands.

Which portable small arm would you choose to go to combat with if you had to tomorrow?

btw

 

[Solitaire]

btw

Pretty good rep for a "troll" with only 500 posts, wouldn't you say, young Skywalker?

 

[jedi]

Nope. No other small arm is as devastatingly effective as a high capacity long arm, in either trained or barely trained hands.

Which portable small arm would you choose to go to combat with if you had to tomorrow?

Pretty good rep for a "troll" with only 500 posts, wouldn't you say, young Skywalker?

I was telling you to stop feeding the troll (Hookeye) who said that the single action revolver, bla, bla, bla stuff.

In any case it's all the president's fault.
He spent way too much time on national health care. He should have been having Congress pass the safety school of 2012 legislation.

1) Armed federal guards with AR-15s at each entrance of the school
2) Bio-metric IDs for all students and staff
3) 30' high (min) cement double barrier wall around the perimeter of the school
4) guard towers with MGs every so many feet on the wall
5) AA and ground to air missiles defense on the property in case someone tries to fly a plane into the area
6) underground sensors in case someone tries to dig their way in
7) steel post barricade around all vehicle entrances in case someone tries to ram a car/truck into the area
8) bullet proof/bomb proof glass the entire bldg
9) roaming armed guards around the outside perimeter of the school

oh btw this should be at each and every school in the nation be it private or public and to include home schools as well.

Yup I think that about covers all attacked except the nuclear.
But you see it's clearly the president's fault for not addressing this before hand. Where is Bush when I need to blame him.

 

[Solitaire]

I was telling you to stop feeding the troll (Hookeye) who said that the single action revolver, bla, bla, bla stuff.

In any case it's all the president's fault.
He spent way too much time on national health care. He should have been having Congress pass the safety school of 2012 legislation.

1) Armed federal guards with AR-15s at each entrance of the school
2) Bio-metric IDs for all students and staff
3) 30' high (min) cement double barrier wall around the perimeter of the school
4) guard towers with MGs every so many feet on the wall
5) AA and ground to air missiles defense on the property in case someone tries to fly a plane into the area
6) underground sensors in case someone tries to dig their way in
7) steel post barricade around all vehicle entrances in case someone tries to ram a car/truck into the area
8) bullet proof/bomb proof glass the entire bldg
9) roaming armed guards around the outside perimeter of the school

oh btw this should be at each and every school in the nation be it private or public and to include home schools as well.

Yup I think that about covers all attacked except the nuclear.
But you see it's clearly the president's fault for not addressing this before hand. Where is Bush when I need to blame him.

Ooops. Sorry. Internet miscommunication = unintended friendly fire.

 

[whitetailbowhunter]

In a school against 400 little kids and a handful of adults I could do much more damage than this guy did. But to answer your question I would take a rifle every single time for combat.

If INGO could go ahead and give this guy a round of applause, since he says he could do a better job of massacreing 6 and 7 year old kids out of thier school desks' than the origional piece of **** did last week friday.

Why are you even arguing this? It's a tragedy, whatever happend in there on friday, was terrible. You can't even argue that a Semi Auto isnt the most effiecient, and easy to get ahold of, weapon of choice for firing as many projectiles down range as possible.

 

[IndyDave1776]

If INGO could go ahead and give this guy a round of applause, since he says he could do a better job of massacreing 6 and 7 year old kids out of thier school desks' than the origional piece of **** did last week friday.

Why are you even arguing this? It's a tragedy, whatever happend in there on friday, was terrible. You can't even argue that a Semi Auto isnt the most effiecient, and easy to get ahold of, weapon of choice for firing as many projectiles down range as possible.

Since you are apparently too obtuse to understand his point, the point is that most any weapons in competent hands would have inflicted more damage than was done by this crazy in spite of firing between 10 and 15 shots per casualty, and by extension, that the specific hardware used is not the proper focus of the discussion, but rather evil intent, and even if the weapon of choice were the focus, most anything within that category could have been used to similar effect.

You may also notice that the leftists have already started beating the anti-gun drum with all their might, so you would be well advised to get out of the fountain of tears and move on with the battle which is shaping up, unless of course you are indifferent to the Second Amendment, in which case I would question your presence here.

 

[Hookeye]

Wish I could rep you (can't for a while).

Since you are apparently too obtuse to understand his point, the point is that most any weapons in competent hands would have inflicted more damage than was done by this crazy in spite of firing between 10 and 15 shots per casualty, and by extension, that the specific hardware used is not the proper focus of the discussion, but rather evil intent, and even if the weapon of choice were the focus, most anything within that category could have been used to similar effect.

You may also notice that the leftists have already started beating the anti-gun drum with all their might, so you would be well advised to get out of the fountain of tears and move on with the battle which is shaping up, unless of course you are indifferent to the Second Amendment, in which case I would question your presence here.

 

[Denny347]

btw

Don't feed the turtle?

 

[Scratcher]

Wasn't something like this the last straw in England that caused a near total ban of firearms?

It was Scotland.