GUN SNOBS

[nate1865]

See if you can't get out from under one if not both of your car payments. Save up that money for 6 months and buy a used car for $1,000.

Then, buy another one.

THEN, you'll have a lot more breathing room for your and your family.

That will buy you a lot more peace of mind than a firearm!

 

[Dobber]

I hope that everyone spouting words of encouragement here remember their own words the next time a "glock vs s&w" or "Kimber vs. Sig" conversation comes up. It's not about cost or fanboyism...the concern is comfort and utility.

-Dobber

 

[Giddaltti]

Ruff, shrugg it all of and enjoy and care for what you have. The art of being humble is a lost art, cheers to you and congrats on your point well taken.

 

[churchmouse]

From my experience on hear there are few people who are friendly. most are dicks. I feel for you.

HHhhmmmmm....you must be spending too much time in the political threads....

I have one but I am not one...

 

[x10]

WoW bunch of responses

I'm not a gun snob but what ever your excuses are there are junk guns

I'm going to continue to try to what I think is help young shooters get away from this junk, Sometimes you have to put your big boy pants on and admit you bought junk.

I'm not going to "enable" people new to the sport to buy junk

CALL ME A HATER, I HATE that people are buy junk I'm past my junk gun evolution and I want to bring others out of the slime.

Don't defend your bryco to me

 

[Harleyrider_50]

Buddy, I have a job in the medical field, a safe full of awesome guns, and a decent car, and a great dog.....and no one to share it with.

Thus I still don't have a tenth of what you do at the age of 19.

We all started off in the same position you are. Once the family grows up and your job situation and your wife's job situation improves, you'll move on to bigger/better firearms, and you'll realize that the quality of your new, expensive guns is better.

However that doesn't mean that the hipoint/keltec/whatever won't do the job if you consitently take care of them and assess them. If they work, then great. People who crap on you for that should be ignored.

.......Coun'cher bless'ns,Hahaha!.....I've had 3 'someones' in last 35+ yrs......I'll take my dogs (8 of'em.....) hands down all day,everday......way more loyal,an' just as glad ta see 'Dad' if I'm gone 5 min.......or 5 hrs......reactions the same,hahahahaha.....


(oh......already got the 'young'n'.....she'll be 34 in May....great kid,or....young woman,now......never any troubles/problems...)

 

[Mycroft]

When comparing manufacturers, the design and materials used are probably the most important. But even when using the same design (say a 1911), the same grade of materials and the same quality manufacturing equipment, the skill of the people and the quality control procedures determine whether the final product is a piece of crap or a masterpiece.
Quality control is the reason the Japanese kicked the American automakers' collective asses for the past 25 years. They put controls in place to check every component used in their cars during the manufacturing process to insure that every part was as perfect as they could make it so that even when an employee had an off day, the quality remained high.
The "junk" gun companies make good, dependable firearms. Due to lower quality control, they also have more defects than the "good" firearm companies. Their bell curve is tilted heavily to the poor quality side.
The "good" companies make "junk" firearms too, but they make far fewer of them.
So my advice is to buy the best quality firearm you can afford (new or used), but to examine it closely for tight fit, smooth action and noticeable defects. Once you buy it, shoot enough rounds through it to insure it functions properly.

 

[dukeboy_318]

Been there myself man, my first shotgun was a maverick 88 security, it cost me 100 bucks used. However, that was 8 years ago, since then I have owned and sold a Benalli m4 tactical and a Remington 870 magnum. But I still have that 88 and it will never go anywhere as long as I'm alive. It has been shot the most and it is my bedside defense piece. My point is, buy what you can, when you can. I agree, it's better to have a 100 dollar gun that goes bang than a 1500 dollar gun sitting in dream land. Now, after you get said 100 dollar gun and such, start putting a little back and over time, you can get that nice match Kimber or whatever.

I hear this every week at the gun club, I own a taurus PT1911, I have lost count of how many rounds I've put through it. Never any malfunctions and the only thing I've done is swap to a heavier recoil spring. However, I hear every week from at least one person about how it's a piece of crap and i need a Colt blah blah blah. Then my "POS" Taurus out shoots his Almighty Colt Series 70 Match, then I laugh and leave.

 

[mattritchie238]

I'd like to add my 2 cents by expanding further than shooting what you can afford. I'm only 25 years old and by no means do I have unlimited cash flow to fund the finest firearms money can buy. Would I like to? Absolutely, but they are not necessary. I don't own a Kimber, Wilson, Les Baer, etc.. but the guns I do own all function the way I want them to and I like to think I'm proficient with all of them. Your firearms don't need to be the flashiest or the finest of quality to do what you need them to. With that being said, I do carry a Glock 19, which some people may consider too expensive (while others consider it a cheap gun) but I choose to carry it because it does exactly what I want when I stroke the trigger. The opinions of others concerning MY firearms do not, in any way, shape, or form, dictate my ability to employ them in whatever use I deem necessary. In a law abiding fashion of course. Shoot what you like, can afford, and trust.

 

[Aaron1776]

Glad I got your attention friend. Are you gonna come onto a forum about guns and gripe about folks talking about guns also?
What type am I anyway?

I believe Firebirds was saying you're the type to give "advice" based off of brand loyalty instead of what actually works. AKA everything not this brand sucks fanboyism.
But that depends on what you meant by your post about selling the DPMS and buying a glock 9mm.

IF you meant that a quality handgun and good carry gear will avail the OP much more than a DPMS and thus that should be his priority, I totally agree. Minus our active duty military personell on this site, we are civilians here. Good handguns are our primary weapons and our life lines in crappy situations.

IF you are one of those who thinks that DPMS is a "hobby" rifle and glock is the end all be all of pistols, then yes you're a fanboy. lol I always laugh at such people. Unless you're a commando who needs his rifle to work after six weeks of lugging it around in the mud with little to no time to clean it, or a professional competition shooter, then you're a firearms hobbyist and a DPMS will suit your needs just fine. To be fair, Im not sure how many high intensity fire fights you get into in the jungles of Indiana so my words only have so much value.

As far as 9mm vs .45 . That's a judgement call. 9mm is far cheaper and good JHPs will be sufficient to stop a human being. .45 is definitely more expensive but also definitely more effective.
Personally 90% of my practice is dry practice so it really depends on just how much you're gonna shoot.

Btw. I LOVE my Springfield XD, and I know a lot of people who bought one after handling mine.

 

[GIJEW]

I'm going to pile on. I'm sure you've noticed by now that NOBODY has had anything bad to say about YOU. Likewise, many have said they've walked in your shoes and bought what they could afford at the time.
Guns are tools, and there isn't any reason to take other peoples opinions about them personally.
FWIW, anybody who would look down their nose at DPMS or Remington as junk (most models anyway) really are snobs--so who cares what they think?

Col. Cooper said something like, "owning a violin doesn't make you a violinist". Enjoy training & practicing with what you've got.

 

[HoughMade]

See if you can't get out from under one if not both of your car payments. Save up that money for 6 months and buy a used car for $1,000.

Then, buy another one.

THEN, you'll have a lot more breathing room for your and your family.

That will buy you a lot more peace of mind than a firearm!

That's not bad advice at all- no car payments since 2000 and loving it.

 

[paddling_man]

To add one more thing:

I remember 19, though it is a bit hazy. Folks' opinions are formed by their first hand experience and what they've "learned" from other people. Remember that their experience may have been different than yours and what they "learned" may have been inaccurate.

The sooner you learn to listen to all opinions, take them as a reflection of their own experience, weigh it all in your own mind but not infer that a differing opinion is some kind of personal affront - the happier you'll be.

My family income - 85% generated by me - would allow me to buy just about any new car, short of an exotic. What do we drive? A 9 yr old Subaru with 180k miles, a 10 yr old Honda with 105k, and my motorcycle is 19 years old and a "rice-burner" cruiser. All paid for.

Do what the heck you want and don't worry about folks who might make another decision. Only you live your own life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFRM4oJwLdc

 

[slackerisme]

Hello INGOers.I have to rant about something because it is starting to bug me.First,I'll give some background on myself for those of you who don't visit my profile and maybe you can then understand where I'm coming from.

I am nineteen years old with a wife and infant son.I work nights as a custodian for $10.78 per hour and no benefits.I have two car payments per month along with various other bills.We literally live from paycheck to paycheck sometimes.My very first firearm that i could call "mine" was acquired at age eighteen and was a Cobra .32 semi auto.I had to save up for almost two months to get the $125 for my lifetime LTCH.

Now for the rant...

I am getting tired of reading posts from people being gun snobs.It seems like every time I jump on INGO,I run across a post saying that (insert name of any "affordable" firearm)s are junk.It used to make me feel inferior,now it just makes me angry because people such as myself are getting advice that they have to pay high prices for any good guns.Am I wrong for loving my Kel Tec,DPMS,Maverick,or my Remington?These guns were what I could come by and they all go bang every time that I pull the trigger.I'm now looking for an affordable .45 for carry and my best option,money wise,looks to be a Hi Point due to my financial situation.I have heard stories of Hi Points,Kel Tecs, and other lower-priced guns being junk.I have had great experiences with these "undesireable" guns.I've also heard horror stories about the almighty Glock but I still wouldn't mind having one.My own belief is this:a Hi Point in hand is better than a Kimber on the "SAVE FOR" list.Why do people have to talk so much crap about good guns just because they don't set you back $1000 when you get one?

Bring on the gun snobs...I wouldn't mind some friendly discussion either.

Good on you for not blowing money on expensive steel right now!! Take care of the baby and the lady and everything else will be blessed your way.

I recently had a chance to squeeze off a few on a Hi Point and loved every round. I'm absolutely sure that it was every bit as accurate at "across my bedroom" distances as any other model. Ugly, yes dependable HELL YES!!

 

[merotek]

You already posted the only relevant comment: a Hi Point in hand is better than a Kimber on the "SAVE FOR" list.



However! IF you could afford a kimber, you would purchase it every time over a hipoint... no reason to hate. This is part of life, you don't always get to have the best stuff, but you make due, 99% of us were there at some point and some of us still are

 

[churchmouse]

If you do have the money do not spend it on a Kimber.......

I had to do that, really.

 

[Plisken]

Look into the thread where a guy dropped a $1200 Kimber and now it does not work.
https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...ion/282924-dropped_and_damaged_my_kimber.html

Or the SIG 238 that will not feed ammo.
https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/handguns/282672-sig_238_failing_to_feed_issues.html


You buy and shoot what you can afford. Who cares about what others have to say.
Just say away from the Glocks, everybody knows those guys are a bunch of limp wrist-ed you know whats.

Ya I think this post says it all. Heck I have a kel-tec p-32 I shoot on occasion it works.

 

[fro65]

Buy what you can afford without jeopardizing your family and turn a deaf ear towards the 'snobs'. If they are getting to you, you are giving them too much credit.

 

[sporter]

Don't worry about what other people say.

Use what works for you or what you can afford.

But please for the love of this earth stop with the whining.

Your not the only one with 2 car payments, 2 children, problems etc.

You make life decisions and you have to be responsible for them. It's called life.

 

[SERparacord]

If you do have the money do not spend it on a Kimber.......

I had to do that, really.

Kimbers are fine, as long as you add enough Ed Brown parts.