Vaccine-Autism Link Debunked Again

[Expat]

Vaccine-autism connection debunked again – The Chart - CNN.com Blogs

A new study published in the Journal of Pediatrics Friday may put them at ease. Researchers found no association between autism and the number of vaccines a child gets in one day or during the first two years of the current vaccine schedule.

Hopefully this reassures some parents and grandparents out there.

 

[Hohn]

This one will never die.

Mostly because you can't prove a negative.

 

[steveh_131]

Mostly because you can't prove a negative.

Nope, you sure can't.

 

[Smokepole]

Well, one thing that you can count on, is with the dramatic increase in the cases diagnosed over the last 30 years, the cause is almost certainly environmental. This after expanded classifications have been controlled for. So that leaves the question, what's causing it. In the span of 8 years from 2000 to 2008 the incidence of autism in children has almost doubled.

• About 1 in 88 children has been identified with an autism spectrum disorder (ASD) according to estimates from CDC's Autism and Developmental Disabilities Monitoring (ADDM) Network. [Read article]
• ASDs are reported to occur in all racial, ethnic, and socioeconomic groups. [Read article]
• ASDs are almost 5 times more common among boys (1 in 54) than among girls (1 in 252). [Read article]
• Studies in Asia, Europe, and North America have identified individuals with an ASD with an average prevalence of about 1%. A recent study in South Korea reported a prevalence of 2.6%. [Data table ] [Read article ]
• About 1 in 6 children in the U.S. had a developmental disability in 2006-2008, ranging from mild disabilities such as speech and language impairments to serious developmental disabilities, such as intellectual disabilities, cerebral palsy, and autism. [Read summary]

It's got to be something and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that they have known for sometime and are afraid to let it out that it is something that is related to the drug industry somehow. I don't trust them or government at all. They have been in bed together for too long.

 

[steveh_131]

Wakefield wasn't the only one who thought that the measles virus introduced by vaccination may have been linked to the gut issues that seem to result in autism-like symptoms.

Scientists fear MMR link to autism | Mail Online

a team from the Wake Forest University School of Medicine in North Carolina are examining 275 children with regressive autism and bowel disease - and of the 82 tested so far, 70 prove positive for the measles virus … the team's leader, Dr Stephen Walker, said: 'Of the handful of results we have in so far, all are vaccine strain and none are wild measles.

This research proves that in the gastrointestinal tract of a number of children who have been diagnosed with regressive autism, there is evidence of measles virus. What it means is that the study done earlier by Dr Wakefield and published in 1998 is correct.

That study didn't draw any conclusions about specifically what it means to find measles virus in the gut, but the implication is it may be coming from the MMR vaccine. If that's the case, and this live virus is residing in the gastrointestinal tract of some children, and then they have GI inflammation and other problems, it may be related to the MMR.

Here are some more studies that came to the same conclusions:

http://mercola.fileburst.com/PDF/GI symptoms in PDD Yale.pdf
http://mercola.fileburst.com/PDF/Jyonouchi 2005.pdf
http://mercola.fileburst.com/PDF/4.Horvath 1.pdf
Immune activation of peripheral blood and muc... [J Neuroimmunol. 2006] - PubMed - NCBI

 

[BogWalker]

I've always figured the rise in autism is just due to better diagnosis. I am thankful it does not affect me, and perhaps some day soon they may find a solution for those it does affect.

 

[Expat]

Well, one thing that you can count on, is with the dramatic increase in the cases diagnosed over the last 30 years, the cause is almost certainly environmental. This after expanded classifications have been controlled for. So that leaves the question, what's causing it. In the span of 8 years from 2000 to 2008 the incidence of autism in children has almost doubled.

It's got to be something and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that they have known for sometime and are afraid to let it out that it is something that is related to the drug industry somehow. I don't trust them or government at all. They have been in bed together for too long.

I have read about drug residue in the municipal water supply where people flush pills, pesticides on our food, just more sensitivity to symptoms and better reporting.

 

[mrjarrell]

I've always figured the rise in autism is just due to better diagnosis. I am thankful it does not affect me, and perhaps some day soon they may find a solution for those it does affect.

That's partly the case. The other part is that they've expanded what constitutes autism from where it was years ago. It's not necessarily that there are more cases of autism, just more people that fit into the spectrum who were once classified as something else.

 

[cobber]

That's partly the case. The other part is that they've expanded what constitutes autism from where it was years ago. It's not necessarily that there are more cases of autism, just more people that fit into the spectrum who were once classified as something else.

That's what they'll do with "mental illness" if we get UBCs.

 

[rambone]

Permanent Brain Damage.

That's a vaccine side-effect listed multiple times on the CDC's website, as well as on Vaccines.gov.

It is a documented fact, admitted by the biggest vaccine pushers, that these drugs can permanently damage your brain. Am I to believe that a vaccine could put a brain into a permanent vegetative state, but it couldn't harm it slightly and make a child appear autistic?

Other listed side-effects - besides permanent brain damage - include seizures, coma, deafness, Guillain Barré syndrome (aka paralysis), and death.

Now I personally think their incidence rates are grossly skewed to make the products more marketable, but the fact remains that it is a known fact that vaccines can maim and kill people. The only thing left to debate is how many.

Debunked, you say?

 

[BogWalker]

Permanent Brain Damage.

That's a vaccine side-effect listed multiple times on the CDC's website, as well as on Vaccines.gov.

It is a documented fact, admitted by the biggest vaccine pushers, that these drugs can permanently damage your brain. Am I to believe that a vaccine could put a brain into a permanent vegetative state, but it couldn't harm it slightly and make a child appear autistic?

Other listed side-effects - besides permanent brain damage - include seizures, coma, deafness, Guillain Barré syndrome (aka paralysis), and death.

Now I personally think their incidence rates are grossly skewed to make the products more marketable, but the fact remains that it is a known fact that vaccines can maim and kill people. The only thing left to debate is how many.

Debunked, you say?

We have to consider the death toll without vaccines as well. Can you imagine if polio was still as common as before vaccinations? Tetanus? Rubella? Small pox?

 

[CountryBoy1981]

Permanent Brain Damage.

That's a vaccine side-effect listed multiple times on the CDC's website, as well as on Vaccines.gov.

It is a documented fact, admitted by the biggest vaccine pushers, that these drugs can permanently damage your brain. Am I to believe that a vaccine could put a brain into a permanent vegetative state, but it couldn't harm it slightly and make a child appear autistic?

Other listed side-effects - besides permanent brain damage - include seizures, coma, deafness, Guillain Barré syndrome (aka paralysis), and death.

Now I personally think their incidence rates are grossly skewed to make the products more marketable, but the fact remains that it is a known fact that vaccines can maim and kill people. The only thing left to debate is how many.

Debunked, you say?

Agreed. To those that don't even think it is a possibility and it has been debunked, you have to ask yourselves what would happen if it was proven that autism is caused by vaccines?

Do you think parents would still vaccinate their children? My guess would be that most parents would opt not to vaccinate their children if the facts came out that autism was caused by vaccinations. I think the government/scientists who study the links have taken a risk/reward position to this research and have decided to turn a blind eye to a possible connection.

If a majority of people chose not to vaccinate their children then there would be mass outbreaks of diseases that were previously vaccinated against.

 

[Gunpowder]

I am surprised at the young people who refuse to get their kids shots or cry about the few side effects that a few get. Chicken Pox-My first girlfriend died of them. Bet that family wishes they could have given her a shot.

then don't get me going on the flu shot and those who claim they got the flu from the flu shot. Geeze... go back to science class.

 

[RockofStrength]

We have to consider the death toll without vaccines as well. Can you imagine if polio was still as common as before vaccinations? Tetanus? Rubella? Small pox?

Except that people don't: they just vaccinate without knowing the potentially damaging side effects which is the issue. If you want to vaccinate go ahead: I had the full spectrum and I'm as healthy as a bull. But people need to make an informed choice, so that at least if their kid ends up being part of that "X percent of vaccinated people suffer from..." they knew what they were getting into.

 

[88GT]

Well, one thing that you can count on, is with the dramatic increase in the cases diagnosed over the last 30 years, the cause is almost certainly environmental.

Autism is the diagnosis de jour for all neuro-developmental issues these days. It doesn't help that autism isn't a specific disease/disorder, but rather a very broad list of symptoms. Without a definitive cause, autism is just a category to put people in who aren't "normal/healthy" based solely on their symptoms. Diagnosis is not based on a source/cause, and therefore the diagnosis is rather statistically insignificant in terms of trending and what not.

We have to consider the death toll without vaccines as well. Can you imagine if polio was still as common as before vaccinations? Tetanus? Rubella? Small pox?

I happen to agree that there are other risks to be considered, but I can't get on board with telling people how to weigh those risks. I prefer to leave that to each family.

I am surprised at the young people who refuse to get their kids shots or cry about the few side effects that a few get. Chicken Pox-My first girlfriend died of them. Bet that family wishes they could have given her a shot.

then don't get me going on the flu shot and those who claim they got the flu from the flu shot. Geeze... go back to science class.

I didn't vax my kids for a couple of things, varicella being one of them. Why? Because the risk of death from chicken pox was lower than the risk of adverse side effects from the vax. Prior to the varicella vax, the yearly death toll for chicken pox ran right around 100 individuals. THe risk of adverse effects (defined as "deaths, life-threatening events, hospitalizations, persistent or significant disabilities") is much, much higher.

Your girlfriend's family might have opted for the vax. But what does that prove? Is the possible prevention of one death supposed to be the argument on which you base your position for universal vaxing?

 

[Gunpowder]

Your girlfriend's family might have opted for the vax. But what does that prove? Is the possible prevention of one death supposed to be the argument on which you base your position for universal vaxing?

But if everyone quits vaccinating those number increase exponentially due to the easability of spreading in an vaccinated population. Then your back to high deaths due to chickenpox.

What really gets me is the flu vaccination and the ignorance even within the lower medical community. Recently there were several nurses who were fired because they refused the mandated flu vac. They were crying foul. The only exemption was allergy to eggs. I had no sympothy for them since the featured nurse in the report was an oncology nurse and the flu would kill a cancer patient with a compromised immune system.

So many ignorant people think if they take the shot they can get the flu. When I was a part-time custodian I ended up working their shift why they were home complaining because they couldn't work to pay the bills.

 

[ruger17hmr]

That's partly the case. The other part is that they've expanded what constitutes autism from where it was years ago. It's not necessarily that there are more cases of autism, just more people that fit into the spectrum who were once classified as something else.

I beg to differ. I know thing or two about Autism, for I have a child affected by the dreaded disease. They are on the rise. There has to be underlying cause, which is directly responsible for Autism.

The cause has to be somehow connected to out food supplies, Vaccine, or drinking water, for the disease to have a such a wide spread impact.

Just my two pennies......

 

[88GT]

But if everyone quits vaccinating those number increase exponentially due to the easability of spreading in an vaccinated population. Then your back to high deaths due to chickenpox.

In years BEFORE THE VAX WAS ADMINISTERED, deaths totaled only about 100 per year. That is the "high death rate."

 

[88GT]

I beg to differ. I know thing or two about Autism, for I have a child affected by the dreaded disease. They are on the rise. There has to be underlying cause, which is directly responsible for Autism.

The cause has to be somehow connected to out food supplies, Vaccine, or drinking water, for the disease to have a such a wide spread impact.

Just my two pennies......

What caused your child's autism?

 

[rambone]

So many ignorant people think if they take the shot they can get the flu. When I was a part-time custodian I ended up working their shift why they were home complaining because they couldn't work to pay the bills.

All the people who get horribly sick after getting the flu shot should start saying that they were having adverse reactions instead of calling it the 'flu'.