The 2016 General Election Thread

[dusty88]

I have no idea why people believe this.

I don't know why people believe anything about him. He has no consistency in his statements. If it's a desperation to overthrow the usual politicians, fine. But let's not fantasize about what we are getting.

 

[jamil]

I don't know why people believe anything about him. He has no consistency in his statements. If it's a desperation to overthrow the usual politicians, fine. But let's not fantasize about what we are getting.

I've seen member after member fall into the same pattern. Initially support someone else. Eventually decide to support Trump for whatever reason. Gradually devolve into complete devotion. I'm not going to say where else I've seen this pattern.

 

[Jludo]

During Gary Johnson’s stop last week on “The View,” Joy Behar, a cohost of the ABC roundtable talk show, asked the Libertarian presidential candidate to decide. “If someone had a gun to your head,” Behar asked the former, two-term New Mexico governor, “would you vote for Hillary or Trump?”
Johnson’s answer: “I would let it go off.”

Bangert: Gary Johnson makes his outsider presidential case at Purdue

 

[T.Lex]

President Trump will get things right for us.

I have no idea why people believe this.

I've seen member after member fall into the same pattern. Initially support someone else. Eventually decide to support Trump for whatever reason. Gradually devolve into complete devotion. I'm not going to say where else I've seen this pattern.

Isn't the notion, "President Obama will get things right for us" how he got elected?

Not hard to believe at all that a different demographic would get suckered into the same con from a different guy.

 

[Jludo]

Isn't the notion, "President Obama will get things right for us" how he got elected?

Not hard to believe at all that a different demographic would get suckered into the same con from a different guy.

You're not saying lots of folks fall for charisma and empty rhetoric, are you?

It's always interesting to read how folks like Jefferson could never get elected today as he was a terrible public speaker.

 

[T.Lex]

You're not saying lots of folks fall for charisma and empty rhetoric, are you?

Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus, and he's orange and promises alot of presents.

In other news, looks like Bug's request for definition of "progress" was prescient. New OH polling has Trump +5 (3.5 MOE) in both 2 way and 4 way races. The 3rd party (3rd and 4th?) candidates draw equally there from Trump and HRC.

Looks like PA will be the next big fight. Or VA. Trump needs to get one (or ideally both) of those to turn reddish. Then places like NH, AZ and IA would come into play.

 

[nate77]

I could pick out a dozen quotes in isolation from Lenin, Marx, and Mao that would sound equally reasonable.

That sounds like hard left rhetoric there, why not just come right out, and compare Trump to Hitler.

 

[T.Lex]

That sounds like hard left rhetoric there, why not just come right out, and compare Trump to Hitler.

Trump hasn't won his election yet.

BTW, an odd thing about rhetoric is that the good stuff works regardless of the political affiliation. That's why its not called "policy."

 

[printcraft]

So when Trump does win the election what is going to be the excuse as to why?
I mean obviously everyone hates him and does not like his ideas.
It will just be that it was an easy win going up against clinton and all of her baggage right?

 

[bwframe]

That sounds like hard left rhetoric there, why not just come right out, and compare Trump to Hitler.

There is a lot of liberal leftist talk on here.
Hard to believe this is a gun owners forum with so many helping out the anti-gun candidate.

 

[T.Lex]

So when Trump does win the election what is going to be the excuse as to why?
I mean obviously everyone hates him and does not like his ideas.
It will just be that it was an easy win going up against clinton and all of her baggage right?

If he wins, it'll be the same reason HRC would win: more people disliked the opponent.

Seriously, the polls that actually measure for this kind of thing show a majority of people don't like any candidate. So, literally, more people would rather see neither than either one. But, at this point, people (sorta) have to choose, so they pick the one opposite from the one they REALLY don't like.

But, I'd also throw in healthy portions of antiestablishment and charisma. The last 2 cycles show (and, arguably, going back to Bill Clinton) it is more about charisma than policy.

What is different now is the antiestablishment motivation seems to be getting stronger. People REALLY don't like how things are "now" and are getting more desperate for someone to fix things, but without really disrupting anything.

That's a tough goal.

There is a lot of liberal leftist talk on here.
Hard to believe this is a gun owners forum with so many helping out the anti-gun candidate.

Don't be so hard on yourself. Pennsylvania is a lovely state, mostly. I'm sure you'll enjoy moving there.

 

[jamil]

So when Trump does win the election what is going to be the excuse as to why?
I mean obviously everyone hates him and does not like his ideas.
It will just be that it was an easy win going up against clinton and all of her baggage right?

This is an election between two turds. The winner will be the one who convinces the most undevoted voters that the other is the turdiest. I think Hillary has the advantage because she has the cooperation of the press, media: old and social, hollywood, elites. Trump could pull off an upset just because of how bad a candidate Hillary is. And if he does, exactly who needs to explain what?

There is a lot of liberal leftist talk on here.
Hard to believe this is a gun owners forum with so many helping out the anti-gun candidate.

There are a lot of devoted, fiercely loyal Trump fans who fancy themselves as the conservatives, which of course makes any dissenters automatically leftists. That's the whole problem with devotion to a political figure. What's actually being said is blocked out by that fierce loyalty. So you think, "You don't agree with me so you must be one of them Communists."

The people you're talking to here aren't communists. They simply think you're wrong about Trump. They simply disagree that Trump is the savior. They disagree that Trump will make America great again.

I think Trump has decided that if we can have a military industrial complex, and a green industrial complex, surely there's room for a real estate industrial complex. I think he's just a crony with a different stripe pattern. What evidence says anything different? His word? His promises?

 

[T.Lex]

I think Trump has decided that if we can have a military industrial complex, and a green industrial complex, surely there's room for a real estate industrial complex. I think he's just a crony with a different stripe pattern. What evidence says anything different? His word? His promises?

His money. I mean, common sense says people with that kind of money don't want to make more money. They want to help everyone. All the time you see billionaires taking pay cuts to help ordinary people. Trump does it all the time.

He doesn't want to make money, folks. He just loves to help people.

 

[nate77]

I think he's just a crony with a different stripe pattern. What evidence says anything different? His word? His promises?

What evidence do you have that he is in it for more that making America great again?

Trump has more than enough fame, money, and power, plus he is far from a spring chicken. Why would he totally disrupt his golden years, and spend tons of his own money, if he didn't love this country, and want to bring it back to the former glory of his youth.

 

[T.Lex]

What evidence do you have that he is in it for more that making America great again?

Trump has more than enough fame, money, and power, plus he is far from a spring chicken. Why would he totally disrupt his golden years, and spend tons of his own money, if he didn't love this country, and want to bring it back to the former glory of his youth.

For when multiquote saves me from re-typing.

His money. I mean, common sense says people with that kind of money don't want to make more money. They want to help everyone. All the time you see billionaires taking pay cuts to help ordinary people. Trump does it all the time.

He doesn't want to make money, folks. He just loves to help people.

 

[1DOWN4UP]

I do not think anyone is being hypnotised by Trump.He is no more than hope against what would surely be.I think the damage that the left has and will continue to do to the 2A has put most people in a desperate position.Hillary will continue the assalt.Johnson ,well he seems like .......well ice cream. Jmho

 

[jamil]

What evidence do you have that he is in it for more that making America great again?

Trump has more than enough fame, money, and power, plus he is far from a spring chicken. Why would he totally disrupt his golden years, and spend tons of his own money, if he didn't love this country, and want to bring it back to the former glory of his youth.

Past history, actions, behavior, rhetoric. What evidence do you have that he plans to make America great again? His word? What's that worth, really? Even if he does plan to make America great again, how do you know what his idea of great is? Is it what he says? The wall? It's snake oil. It ain't getting done any more than it is already. And if it does get done, it'll be a grand, ornate and majestic wall made from paper mache for show.

ETA: one more thing. His own money? Well, yeah, if you count the money he donated to his campaign, and then payed himself back from campaign donations.

 

[nate77]

National polls don't matter, and Trump doesn't want to win, but

Politics - Los Angeles Times

 

[jamil]

National polls don't matter, and Trump doesn't want to win, but

Politics - Los Angeles Times

I've said before that Trump either doesn't want to win, or doesn't understand the electorate enough to know how to win. Now that he has professional campaign management, perhaps he can capitalize more on Hillary's many flaws.

 

[bwframe]

You can talk things to death, but there is only one choice for gun owners that intent to stay gun owners.
The choice is simple. Trump is endorsed by the NRA and Hillary is running on gun control.

Helping Hillary win is advancing gun control.



Just my as proud gun owner. Stop polluting INGO with assistance to the anti-gun candidate. Take the anti-gun talk to sites more appropriate for it. Facebook, HuffPo, etc.