The 2017 General Political Discussion Thread

[T.Lex]

SalenaZito
✔ @SalenaZito There'll be Democrats who feel as tho they lost b/c moderating message.
They'll want to go militant progressive for 2018.
They will be wrong
9:47 PM - 20 Jun 2017 · Mount Lebanon, PA

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Well... don't tell them. Let them figure it out.

This may be a bit of INGO heresy (which will shock no one), but I continue to be impressed with Salena Zito. I think she is a solid observer and reporter of what is happening in American politics.

I do not know her political leanings (I heard she worked for GW Bush, which may or may not be indicative), but she seems to have a keen eye on things.

 

[BugI02]

Sally Kohn
✔ @sallykohn Important to note Handel didn't win #GA06 by embracing Trump. In many ways, she distanced herself from him. This is not Trump's victory.
9:11 PM - 20 Jun 2017

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Maybe.
But it wasn't your win either.

Lolz. "Trump didn't build this"?

 

[jamil]

Well, at least you didn't want to throw the banhammer at me for the lack of understanding like ....

A bit OLD to be reading Aquaman, ain't ye? A sub dude like Actaeon, I understand...but anyone else? Hmmm

Edit: DUDE, not dud

What's wrong with reading aquaman? You're never too old for comics. Aquaman isn't exactly my fave though.

 

[jamil]

Right.
You should go more left. EXTREME left. You go girl.

Yeah. What they're doing now works so well they should totally turn it up to bat-**** crazy. Nothing but win after that. Hell. Kick all thise crazy centrists out of the party. They're just holding you down. Maybe call them racists or something.

 

[Alpo]

Hey jamil? We already left. They don't know it yet.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Gergen: Special election victories show Trump could beat Dems in 2020 - CNNPolitics.com

I just can't see that happening unless he gets serious about following-through on campaign promises.

Edit: Wait, just noticed it said 2020. I was thinking 2018.

 

[hoosierdoc]

A lot of Trump's promises require legislation, and we have two losers in charge of Congress. He can't do it all

 

[IndyDave1776]

Also, "Election Night Anchor Face" is becoming one of my favorite things.

One would think they have been hitting the castor oil a little too hard by the looks of them.

 

[Alpo]

True dat. The president should do less on legislation. That's congress. He needs to get his ducks in a row on foreign policy.

 

[KittySlayer]

This was my first "special influence".

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Better pics available but NSFINGO

NSFINGI? Posting the wrong pic might cause the INGO site to crash?

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Planned Parenthood defunding language in the Senate's AHCA draft.

The Senate has named its Obamacare draft the Better Care Reconciliation Act

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Here's the full bill

https://www.budget.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/SENATEHEALTHCARE.pdf

 

[IndyDave1776]

NSFINGI? Posting the wrong pic might cause the INGO site to crash?

That is one gorgeous StG44!

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Final page of the Senate health care bill authorizes CSR subsidies through 2019, including back payments..

It's an insurance company bailout bill to save ObamaCare.

 

[PaulF]

I don't know.

If republicans fundamentally change Obamacare the results will be on Trump and the republicans...the result becomes "TrumpCare" or Nazicare, or whatever. If the Republicans "work with democrats" to "fix Obamacare's fundamental problems", the root troubleds with the law all still fall to the Obama administration. "Fixing obama's mess" would continue to curry political approval...once the republicans impose their own brand of "healthcare reform" republicans are stuck holding the bag on the results.

Premiums are likely to continue to rise...I can't help but think republicans might be changing the narrative in their opponent's favor....instead of defending Obamacare democrats may have an opportunity to campaign on "fixing the republican healthcare debacle".

This could go a number of different ways.

 

[IndyDave1776]

I don't know.

If republicans fundamentally change Obamacare the results will be on Trump and the republicans...the result becomes "TrumpCare" or Nazicare, or whatever. If the Republicans "work with democrats" to "fix Obamacare's fundamental problems", the root troubleds with the law all still fall to the Obama administration. "Fixing obama's mess" would continue to curry political approval...once the republicans impose their own brand of "healthcare reform" republicans are stuck holding the bag on the results.

Premiums are likely to continue to rise...I can't help but think republicans might be changing the narrative in their opponent's favor....instead of defending Obamacare democrats may have an opportunity to campaign on "fixing the republican healthcare debacle".

This could go a number of different ways.

Good observations. I suppose the final question is that of how we can put an end to the scorched earth politics that heavily incentivize NOT fixing problems.

 

[Dddrees]

Good observations. I suppose the final question is that of how we can put an end to the scorched earth politics that heavily incentivize NOT fixing problems.

The only way way is to come to a consensus. As long as Dems due one thing on their watch and Republicans due another on their watch we'll never end it or fix it.

Besides the only thing the Republicans are primary focused on is who is going to pay for it and not so much about Healthcare is done.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Whelp. There it is.

With all of the recently reported electronic surveillance, intercepts, unmasking and illegal leaking of information, I have no idea whether there are "tapes" or recordings of my conversations with James Comey, but I did not make, and do not have, any such recordings.

 

[Dddrees]

Yet again today another off camera White House Press Briefing.

 

[Dddrees]

Whelp. There it is.

This hardly ends it. He stirs his pot, He creates his own storm.