Why do we need a healthcare law?

[Lelliott8]

Give it some thought.

 

[Thor]

We need to go back to the laws that were in place when we created the best health care system in the world.

It needs to be based on:

1 - Cash. Go pay for your oil change and brake pads.

2 - Catastrophic care. I just wrecked...please help me.

3 - Charity. Something every doctor did before the government got involved.

The only laws we really need are the ones that keep doctors who have sworn to do no wrong from doing wrong. (No Dr. Frankenstein you can not do that!)

We need to get rid of this POS DemoncRat law...now apparently supported by a few reprobriants.

 

[Twangbanger]

Near as I can figure, it's the same reason we get Transportation, Education, Defense, Telecommunications, Agriculture, Energy, and Finance bills...all introduced at regular intervals in every session of Congress. You can set your watch by it. Legislators gonna legislate.

Think of it as Congress announcing, loudly, "Hey everybody involved in XXX Industry - we're about to debate a bill playing God with your Livelihoods - better getcher butts up here!" And the suits with suitcases full of cash come flying in like moths to a porch lamp. Nobody wants to be "absent from the table" when Congress does their thing.

It's Congress' version of a Call to Offering. They are passing out the Collection Plates, basically. They have a lot of power, and that kind of power requires money to maintain.

(But: Health Care sob stories coming in 5...4...3...)

 

[Lelliott8]

I like to play a game where any time I see the words "Healthcare bill" or the like, I replace it with "grocery bill". It makes it sound obsurd, just like the notion of mandated spending(stealing) itself.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

It's another form of wealth redistribution but it's got enough candy sprinkled through out so that they really can't do much to it without one constituency or another screaming bloody murder. They know if they do only what they can get enough votes to do, when it finally does fail (and it will), they're afraid they'll get blamed for it.

 

[churchmouse]

Near as I can figure, it's the same reason we get Transportation, Education, Defense, Telecommunications, Agriculture, Energy, and Finance bills...all introduced at regular intervals in every session of Congress. You can set your watch by it. Legislators gonna legislate.

Think of it as Congress announcing, loudly, "Hey everybody involved in XXX Industry - we're about to debate a bill playing God with your Livelihoods - better getcher butts up here!" And the suits with suitcases full of cash come flying in like moths to a porch lamp. Nobody wants to be "absent from the table" when Congress does their thing.

It's Congress' version of a Call to Offering. They are passing out the Collection Plates, basically. They have a lot of power, and that kind of power requires money to maintain.

(But: Health Care sob stories coming in 5...4...3...)

Follow the money/power....always.

 

[churchmouse]

It's another form of wealth redistribution but it's got enough candy sprinkled through out so that they really can't do much to it without one constituency or another screaming bloody murder. They know if they do only what they can get enough votes to do, when it finally does fail (and it will), they're afraid they'll get blamed for it.

Special interest groups are going to be the end of the republic.

 

[jamil]

Special interest groups are going to be the end of the republic.

"Special interest groups"

I prefer to call them cronies.

 

[Lelliott8]

Special interest groups are going to be the end of the republic.

Factions bad. Free interaction good.

 

[cosermann]

We had health care before Obamacare.

At that time, I believe the stats showed over 80% of folks were satisfied with their healthcare.

There is a historical inverse relationship between government involvement and the quality/cost of healthcare.

The sole reason Obamacare exists is to further consolidate government power.

 

[jamil]

We had health care before Obamacare.

At that time, I believe the stats showed over 80% of folks were satisfied with their healthcare.

There is a historical inverse relationship between government involvement and the quality/cost of healthcare.

The sole reason Obamacare exists is to further consolidate government power.

Obamacare was about fixing the other 20% at the expense of the 80%.

 

[spec4]

Remember folks, the libs aren't satisfied with Obamacare. The really want single pay like England. WLS played a clip this morning of Durbin ( communist- Illinois) saying how great single pay will be for all of us.

Just like gun control, whenever they get the power they will chip, chip away until we reach the nirvana of pure socialism.

 

[AtTheMurph]

Government has no authority to regulate health care. If you don't believe me then produce the enumerated power ceding that power to them.

 

[jamil]

Government has no authority to regulate health care. If you don't believe me then produce the enumerated power ceding that power to them.

It's the one where they can use the commerce clause to justify anything they want to do.

ETA: oh. And the welfare clause. Can't forget that little vague statement turned socialist wet dream.

 

[churchmouse]

It's the one where they can use the commerce clause to justify anything they want to do.

ETA: oh. And the welfare clause. Can't forget that little vague statement turned socialist wet dream.

In my "Never" ending argument with late 20's to mid 30's youngsters I have always ended with...."And this is another step towards socialism"
Their response for the most part is, So, what is so bad about that.

I respond with refuting their earlier statements to abolish the Electoral college as every vote should count...............

 

[actaeon277]

Because people say stupid things like "The government should do something".

 

[IndyDave1776]

We had health care before Obamacare.

At that time, I believe the stats showed over 80% of folks were satisfied with their healthcare.

Unfortunately, one problem with a straight up repeal is that the health care that 80% were satisfied with no longer exists. Solving this problem at this point becomes much more complicated than it would have been before ObamaCare took effect.

 

[ATM]

Individuals can't be allowed to care for or dismiss their own health, or to contract voluntarily for desired medical services, as both resolve to self-ownership.

The very notion of self-ownership is dangerous.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Individuals can't be allowed to care for or dismiss their own health, or to contract voluntarily for desired medical services, as both resolve to self-ownership.

The very notion of self-ownership is dangerous.

Philosophically, I am not disagreeing. At a practical level, the .gov has been screwing with health care since World War II and has created enough of a mess of it that suddenly returning to a proper state of .gov nonparticipation would create a chaotic environment that would not be politically survivable for anyone in a position to make that happen, therefore it is guaranteed not to happen. In any effort to return to the free market, several intermediate steps would be necessary to get there in a politically palatable way even if all the participants in the political system had the best and most proper results as their true goals, which they don't.

 

[Fargo]

It's the one where they can use the commerce clause to justify anything they want to do.

ETA: oh. And the welfare clause. Can't forget that little vague statement turned socialist wet dream.

As memory serves, I thought that the Supreme Court has ruled this was not a valid exercise of the commerce power. Instead Roberts shoehorned it into the taxing power in an abomination of a decision.