Mosin and Mauser Values?

[Grademan]

I bought these rifles off of my neighbor a few years ago thinking I would eventually get around to shooting and enjoying them.

That never happened and it's not going to, so I've decided to sell them. The only problem with that is I don't have a clue what they are worth. I know a lot of INGO'ers know a lot about these models so I'm asking for your assistance in determining dollar value. I'll include the information that I think I know about each rifle. Please feel free to correct me because I seriously don't know much, if anything about these guns.

First is a M91/30 Tula:
Appears to be numbers matching except for the magazine floor plate.
No numbers on the butt plate.
Not counterbored.
Rifling visible.
Possible surface rust in bore (or cosmoline, I've read they can look similar)
Wood is ok, some small dings, chips, and scratches. Probably average?

Next is a M91/30 Izhevsk:
Numbers matching except bolt and magazine floor plate.
Counterbored.
1 1/2 inch crack in buttstock. Small dings, chips, and scratches throughout.
Possible surface rust in bore (maybe cosmoline?)

Last is what I believe to be a Turkish Mauser 8MM?:
I don't really see serial numbers on this rifle...?
Not counterbored.
Wood in decent condition, some dings.
Rifling visible.
Same "surface rust" looking bore as the Mosin's?

All three have "CAI ST ALB VT" stamped on the barrell. The M91/30's both have two boxed "SA" stamps along with various other stamps.

Let me know if further information is needed.

Thanks in advance.

 

[gdh]

Both of your Mosins have the SA stamp on them, making them Finnish captured witch makes them both more collectable and brings a higher price.

I have been out of the Mosin game a while but you can check out more info on them at these two sites.

The Collector's Forum - Mosin Nagant HQ

7.62x54r.net

You can also get info here about the Turk Mauser

http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewforum.php?f=34

 

[Grademan]

Thanks for the links. The minuscule amount of knowledge I have on the Mosin's came from 7.62x54r.net. Great site.

 

[Miller Tyme]

The Finn captured 91/30's are between $200/$250, can't help you on the Turk.

 

[Mosinguy]

The Tula is worth maybe $300+. Other Mosin, about $100. Mauser is about $150-$250.

 

[Grademan]

Thank you Miller Tyme and Mosinguy.

 

[Mosinguy]

I just noticed you said both Mosins had the SA stamp on it. Then yeah, those Mosins are both worth $300+ from what I see.

 

[mkgr22]

Your Turk mauser is a Model 1893, converted in 1935 from 7.65x53 to 8mm Mauser caliber. The serial number is the 8508 on the rear receiver bridge.

Mosinguy gave an accurate value. That rifle is an antique in the eyes of ATF, made before 1898.

 

[Grademan]

I just noticed you said both Mosins had the SA stamp on it. Then yeah, those Mosins are both worth $300+ from what I see.

That's great. They both appear to have the "SA" twice. Is that of any significance?

 

[Grademan]

Your Turk mauser is a Model 1893, converted in 1935 from 7.65x53 to 8mm Mauser caliber. The serial number is the 8508 on the rear receiver bridge.

Mosinguy gave an accurate value. That rifle is an antique in the eyes of ATF, made before 1898.

Wow, very good information. Thanks mkgr22

 

[Libertarian01]

To Grademan,

All prices here are contingent upon the bore being good as well. Take a good look down it to make certain it is nice and shiny, or at least not bad.

The last time I went to the Tulsa show I stayed with a friend on the and his neighbor wanted me to check out a great old Italian Carcano. The rifle was very nice but apparently his father who brought it back from the war never cleaned out the corrosive ammo. The barrel was a sewer pipe that turned the rifle into nothing more than a wall hanger with great sentimental value but no commercial value.

I do NOT mean to rain on your parade. Those are some great finds. I just don't want you to get your hopes up by us then turn around and find bad news.

Good luck on your sale!

Regards,

Doug

 

[johntheplinker]

I'd go $225 for each of the Mosins, maybe a bit more if the bores are really good. As far as having 2 [SA] marks, nothing significant about that. Since the only thing Finn about them is the stamp and sling hangers, that kind of holds down the value a bit.

 

[Grademan]

Thanks Doug and jontheplinker. I did a quick check of the bores with a little led flashlight and the lands and grooves are present throughout the entire length of the barrels. I'll see if I can clean some of that surface rust and/or cosmoline out of the bores tomorrow.

 

[Grademan]

bore pics

Are these good, average, or bad? Do they affect the values positively or negatively?



Tula:

Izhevsk:

Mauser:

 

[2in1evtime]

as a mauser collector, you do have a antique receiver possibly 1893 model, looking at the bolt face i see some rust and corrosion from using corrosive ammo, and the pics of the bore look about normal for this type of rifle, a good cleaning and a few rounds out of this barrel will help to clean it up. as to the 91/30's i don't know much about them except they are fun to shoot.

 

[johntheplinker]

Did you clean the bore before taking the pics? If so, IMO and its really hard to judge just from pics, the Tula is fair, the Izhevsk poor and the Turk low fair. They may clean up some with hot cleaning as 2in1evtime said, some do, some don't. They may still shoot good, but they'll be a real pain to get and keep clean. After looking at the bores and looking long and hard at the original pics, I would have a hard time giving more than $200 for the Tula and $175 for the Izhevsk, and I don't know enough about the Turk to give a value.

 

[Libertarian01]

To Grademan,

The bores aren't shiny but they aren't falling apart either, so that is good.

I would say clean the tar out of them and take a second look.

I am no expert and will defer to those with more knowledge than I, but in my opinion they are average to slightly below right now. However, if they clean up well that will change things.

Good luck with them!

Regards,

Doug

 

[Grademan]

Thanks again johntheplinker and Doug. I did attempt to clean the bores with the standard Hoppes/patch, bore brush, Hoppes/patch, dry patch, oiled patch method, but I don't think it worked very well. I never could get a patch to come out clean (always had at least some black gunk on them). I'm thinking there's still cosmoline in there. All of the internal metal surfaces that are visible with the naked eye are pretty oily and greasy, so I'm guessing the shipping/storage cosmoline has never been removed. That task is better left to someone more knowledgable than I, in regards to these rifles.

 

[Mosinguy]

The Tula looks great. The others not so great. However with these old rifles bore condition isn't so important since yours aren't very collectable and a slightly pitted bore is a given anyways.

 

[Grademan]

They're in the classifieds.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...060-mosin_1939_tula_m91_30_with_sa_stamp.html

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...guns/274067-mosin_91_30_izhevsk_sa_stamp.html

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...nd_shotguns/274096-model_1893_8mm_mauser.html

And a 9mm Tokarev:
https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...and_revolvers/274131-norinco_tokarev_9mm.html

I can do a package deal if someone wants them all.