Who's in possession?

[DadSmith]

This ain't Ohio.


Ohio sucks for many reasons, one being that signs carry the force of law.

I go to Ohio a lot so it gets confusing. VA Cincinnati, University Hospital etc both are felony carry if caught. My local hospital has no signs but the one in Madison does and I believe Batesville hospital also has a no weapons sign up.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

So even if a hospital has a no weapons sign up you can still go in with it without being arrested? I ask this because in Ohio that is law and a felony if you do so.

Depends on the hospital. For instance, Methodist Hospital here in Indy is where they take people in LEO custody, so their no weapons policy is enforced (by a cop manning the metal detector at the entrance to the ER) and carries weight of law. I think it's prohibited in the rest of the hospital as well, just because of that.

 

[johny5]

This ain't Ohio.


Ohio sucks for many reasons, one being that signs carry the force of law.

Yep. Sad, too. I'm from Ohio and will always consider it my home, but I live in Indiana for a lot of reasons.

 

[yote hunter]

This is kind of off topic , but had a friend who was in a motorcycle wreck and had a pistol legally, the emt’s would not touch him until the police arrived and took possession of the firearm. Needless to say “he died” . Kind of a sore subject about it for me.

 

[WanderingSol07]

So even if a hospital has a no weapons sign up you can still go in with it without being arrested? I ask this because in Ohio that is law and a felony if you do so.

It depends, some hospitals have certain facilities where in fact it does make it illegal to posses a gun.

 

[Tactically Fat]

Depends on the hospital. For instance, Methodist Hospital here in Indy is where they take people in LEO custody, so their no weapons policy is enforced (by a cop manning the metal detector at the entrance to the ER) and carries weight of law. I think it's prohibited in the rest of the hospital as well, just because of that.

I don't think Methodist has the secure facility needed for it to be a statutory GFZ. That is just their policy that's being enforced. In Indy, I think Eskanazi is the one with the secure facility / GFZ.

That, and any/all VA clinics and hospitals all over the country.

 

[xxxleafybugxxx1]

What are the regulations on a person who is licensed to conceal carry, but goes to an establishment like a bank that says no firearms on the premises?

 

[JettaKnight]

What are the regulations on a person who is licensed to conceal carry, but goes to an establishment like a bank that says no firearms on the premises?

First, welcome to INGO.
Second, does the state law say anything about those signs? No?

Then carry on, my friend.

 

[Cameramonkey]

So even if a hospital has a no weapons sign up you can still go in with it without being arrested? I ask this because in Ohio that is law and a felony if you do so.

Maybe.

If the hospital has a dedicated section for housing prison/jail patients, its unlawful to carry. (sign or not) Eskenazi is an example.
If the hospital has a LICENSED daycare or preschool on the property, its unlawful to carry due to carrying in a school prohibitions. If a school exists on the property, ALL buildings on the same property are considered the school as well, except when exempted by the recent religious exemptions.

 

[Cameramonkey]

What are the regulations on a person who is licensed to conceal carry, but goes to an establishment like a bank that says no firearms on the premises?

Concealed means concealed. If you are caught by the property owner they will ask you to leave. That is all they can do. (assuming its not illegal for you to carry there)

If you refuse to leave they call the police and have you trespassed. (permanently kicked out) If you still refuse you are arrested for violating the trespass order. (still has nothing to do with firearms)

 

[Alamo]

... And yes, later that night my wife ended up taking me to the hospital claiming I was making incoherent statements.

Ok, I can't resist: Does she try to take you to the hospital pretty often?




(but really, head/brain injuries can be tricky and not show up for awhile, so t'was for the best).

 

[Michigan Slim]

My sis was in a car accident. She had her gun on her.

When they were letting her out of the hospital. I walked over to the security office and said "I'm hear to get my sisters gun". They asked her name I told him. It was sitting in a cardboard cubby he handed it to me no further questions asked. I walked out with her pistol in my pocket.

When my son was in a motorcycle accident his gun skittered across the intersection. His Kydex holster snapped. I called the police about getting it back and was told no. It had to be him when he was able.

 

[fullmetaljesus]

When my son was in a motorcycle accident his gun skittered across the intersection. His Kydex holster snapped. I called the police about getting it back and was told no. It had to be him when he was able.

That makes way more sense

 

[xxxleafybugxxx1]

Concealed means concealed. If you are caught by the property owner they will ask you to leave. That is all they can do. (assuming its not illegal for you to carry there)

If you refuse to leave they call the police and have you trespassed. (permanently kicked out) If you still refuse you are arrested for violating the trespass order. (still has nothing to do with firearms)

Got it. So "No guns permitted" means don't show or tell.
Now what if you stopped an armed robbery with your CCW, then they gripe at you after the fact for having a weapon? Lol

 

[Cameramonkey]

Got it. So "No guns permitted" means don't show or tell.
Now what if you stopped an armed robbery with your CCW, then they gripe at you after the fact for having a weapon? Lol

No change to my original statement.

They'll either thank you or be a jerk and complain you endangered others and trespass you. You might also get sued by a feckless cowardly security guard for mental anguish even though you saved her life. (like in the Kroger robbery, but thats not exactly apples to apples)

And by "concealed means concealed", I mean dont even print if you are concerned. I'm talking about waltzing into one of those places with a sign while OCing. or sloppy concealed and an employee sees the gun as you reach for the Fruity Pebbles on the top shelf. But frankly, unless you are making a scene or are obvious, 95% of the people out there are clueless or dont care enough to say anything to you. I've only been accosted verbally once, and that was while OCing a 1911. But I digress.

And frankly, if they post such a sign, I'm going to go elsewhere anyway, if possible. If they dont want my business as a lawful carrier, I wont give it to them. I'll go somewhere else that doesnt have a sign. (e.g. skip the corporate owned BW3 and go to Hooters)

 

[OurDee]

Please, remember if you carry in Ohio, When stopped by police you are required to first inform them that you are armed.

 

[JettaKnight]

Please, remember if you carry in Ohio, When stopped by police you are required to first inform them that you are armed.

The proper way is to yell it out as the officer approaches.

 

[Cameramonkey]

The proper way is to yell it out as the officer approaches.

And dont forget to wave it out the window to show him you have it.