AAR: INGO Box of Truth, June 19 2010

[techres]

AAR: INGO Box of Truth, June 19 2010​

Date: June 19, 2010
Location: Brown County
Testers: LoveMyWoods, Techres
Professional Photographer: HisKids Photography (aka Mrs. LoveMyWoods)
Mission: To recreate and expand on the testing done by boxotruth.com but done here in Indiana and for INGO members. This was the test flight and test of the rig made for this purpose. See this thread for more info -> https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/general_firearms_discussion/96377-introducing_the_ingo_box-o-truth.html

Arriving​

I arrived at LMW's place in the early afternoon and after handshakes we quickly loaded up his ATV's trailer with water, melons, firearms and ammo.

Now, I had never been to the "auxiliary" range before (my name for it, not his) and to get there he told me I would ride my own ATV!

Now, I have never driven an ATV before and knew how hilly LMV's land is, so I figured after his quick instructions that I was a master and needed to drive the thing one handed while filming an action shot:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac2wo6GZWhM]YouTube - Getting to the range![/ame]

Um... Yeah... LMW's suggested that I not do that again.

Testing Method​

First a welcome from LMW himself:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-EPFHS9gC8]YouTube - INgunowners.com: Indiana Box of Truth (Introduction)[/ame]

The calibers we planned to test were:

Pistol: .38, 9mm, .45
Rifle: .22lr, .223, 7.62x39, 7.62x51
Shotgun: 12 Gauge

The testing was going to be done in two parts: Drywall & Water. First to go were the handguns.

Handguns vs. Drywall ​

.38 Special

The .38 test was done in five parts (later videos were done with less cuts for timing reasons). We will let the videos do the talking:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCv_kNNi2Xg]YouTube - Getting a Basline: 38 Special versus Wall.[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGYuef3nmRE]YouTube - 38 Test 1/3[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOxMEhQP7GQ]YouTube - 38 Test 2/3[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLDWoEO4NEI]YouTube - 38 Test 3/3[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_j9q5KgHb0]YouTube - 38 Test 4/3[/ame]


9mm

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VEs4_HkF-M]YouTube - 4_9mmfail.mov[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0II1mqRIRo]YouTube - 4b_9mmstud.mov[/ame]


.45 ACP

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD3rVhKyHlI]YouTube - 5_45.mov[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr2EJGVsHzw]YouTube - 5_45b.mov[/ame]


.357 SURPRISE!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InlXGe6kFzU]YouTube - 6_357a.mov[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMe76EOxt9E]YouTube - 6_357b.mov[/ame]

Handguns vs. Water​

.38 Special

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXm9Gc-A7IM]YouTube - 7_38.mov[/ame]


9mm

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXXPoFMG66k]YouTube - 8_9mm.mov[/ame]


.45 ACP

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vJXK-GDEfI]YouTube - 9_40a.mov[/ame]

Wait a minute! There's something wrong here, let's let LMW explain it:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjMizsAt2FA]YouTube - 9_40b.mov[/ame]


THE REAL .45 ACP

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl-bEWi9Ivw]YouTube - 10_45.mov[/ame]


.357 Mag

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xADzWUg-U1U]YouTube - 11_357.mov[/ame]

Longarms vs Water​

[Note: It was a very hot day and the heat was beginning to take it's toll around this time, you can hear it in our voices. Additionally, we were having some camera issues and lost a tad bit of data and had to reshoot.]

.22lr

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8QCEdSzHYQ]YouTube - 12_22.mov[/ame]


.223

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZiCgC87t2U]YouTube - 13_22375.mov[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjRGYi3Z54w]YouTube - 14_22355.mov[/ame]


7.62x39

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nGks8Zhzyc]YouTube - 15_76239.mov[/ame]


7.62x51

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEiSGNPc9z4]YouTube - 16_76251.mov[/ame]


12 Gauge Buckshot

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYUs6ppPNAc]YouTube - 17_ga.mov[/ame]

Longarms vs Drywall​

.22lr

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC5fAQnb_MI]YouTube - 18_22.mov[/ame]


.223

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN5WY1xplOg]YouTube - 19_223.mov[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtb4IaX0hP8]YouTube - 20_22355.mov[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEIRhQtd9IU]YouTube - 21_223tap.mov[/ame]


7.62x39

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SEUOKRscpw]YouTube - 22_76239.mov[/ame]


12 Gauge Buckshot

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JazsUs4800]YouTube - 23_12GA.mov[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwq5SYx9X_o]YouTube - 24_buck.mov[/ame]


12 Gauge Birdshot

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z61MlYv_OL0]YouTube - 25_bird.mov[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDqbIxx7UAo]YouTube - 26_birdw.mov[/ame]

Range Card​

And this was the end of the testing and with it the raw data.

More Coming​

Still Pictures, graphs and charts will all be on their way tonight. I have taken a 2 hour lunch and the oss has noticed, so.... More later!

Techres

 

[SmileDocHill]

I think you doubled the size of YouTube!!
That is awesome!

 

[woundedyak]

This is full of win! Thanks for the info and dedication

 

[lovemachine]

 

[tuoder]

This is awesome! You should put together this content on a blog as well!

 

[jd4320t]

Great job guys

 

[IndySSD]

Nice work!

I'm sorry if this is a nitpick but have you thought about trying to space the drywall out 3.5" and perhaps add insulation/siding to the last wall when talking about "Neighboring" shots? I only ask because I heard that on rounds with a muzzle velocity of under 1k fps the roll out insulation+insulationboard+vinyl siding will stop or slow a round to almost nothing.

Rep incoming for all the hard work though!!

 

[techres]

Nice work!

I'm sorry if this is a nitpick but have you thought about trying to space the drywall out 3.5" and perhaps add insulation/siding to the last wall when talking about "Neighboring" shots? I only ask because I heard that on rounds with a muzzle velocity of under 1k fps the roll out insulation+insulationboard+vinyl siding will stop or slow a round to almost nothing.

Rep incoming for all the hard work though!!

Insulation was considered, but created some practical concerns that were beyond what we needed to do in one day. Also note that the 7.62x39 did tumble and still blasted through just about everything.

 

[CoyoteCreekGuns]

Nice work!

I'm sorry if this is a nitpick but have you thought about trying to space the drywall out 3.5" and perhaps add insulation/siding to the last wall when talking about "Neighboring" shots? I only ask because I heard that on rounds with a muzzle velocity of under 1k fps the roll out insulation+insulationboard+vinyl siding will stop or slow a round to almost nothing.

Rep incoming for all the hard work though!!

I also agree that you've done some amazing things and I very much appriciate all of the time / expense / oh and fun that you had doing this.

Like SafeShootingDad's comment, I would be interested in having the box-o-truth built with a width of 16" on center (if it's not already) as this span would technically be the largest span between the studs in a home and if hit on center between the studs would be the weakest section of the drywall, etc.

But again that's just nitpicking, you've both done more than I will probably ever do in testing this stuff out.

Well Done! and +1 for both of you

 

[dave29]

Nice work guys, good info.

 

[rmabrey]

Great Job Guys. Looks like it was a lot of fun to do as well

 

[techres]

I have a bunch of pictures to load next. However, I think I will have to hold off until the thread hits Page 2 so people can actually load the page.

 

[SSGSAD]

You guys, are friggin AWESOME !!!!! I want to come have some fun
the next time.... I have questions, 1. how far away were you, when
shooting. 2. Why did you have a jug, upside down, when you shot
7.62 x39 ?????

 

[IndySSD]

I have a bunch of pictures to load next. However, I think I will have to hold off until the thread hits Page 2 so people can actually load the page.

Next stop.... Page 2!!

You have arrived at your destination!!

 

[OWGEM]

Reps to both of you, well done. Lots of food for thought.

 

[techres]

Next stop.... Page 2!!

You have arrived at your destination!!

Nope, not yet. Waiting on 2...

 

[Sweetums]

Cool! Thanks for the info.

If there is a future test, I would be interested in finding out how the light weight .223s perform, such as the 45 gr and 50 gr hollowpoints do.

 

[Sweetums]

Oh - and I think that Buster and Neighbor could be great friends!

 

[IndySSD]

Nope, not yet. Waiting on 2...

Is there some sort of setting to expand the default posts per page? I show this thread is already 50% through page 2.

 

[lovemywoods]

You guys, are friggin AWESOME !!!!! I want to come have some fun
the next time.... I have questions, 1. how far away were you, when
shooting. 2. Why did you have a jug, upside down, when you shot
7.62 x39 ?????

1. We were 20-25 feet away (across a large room distance).

2. [Warning: For Geeks Only! If you read this paragraph, you're a geek!] The upside down jug was an attempt to save the water in that jug. In the test just prior, the jug was 'kissed' by the round and had a small leak. By turning it over, we reduced the hydrostatic head pressure at the leak site thus reducing the rate of water loss. We also knew the water wouldn't leak any lower than the hole so we could use it in the next test!