Who would you vote for today...Obama or Gov. Mitch Daniels

[bigcat1971]

I would vote for Gov.Mitch Daniels

 

[96firephoenix]

You might not agree with how Mitch does things... but you have to say one thing about him and that is he knows how to manage money. If he could do to the Federal Gov what he's done to Indiana's Government fiscally......

my thoughts exactly. I don't necesarily like that the toll road in Northern IN has been outsourced (someone who lives there correct this next statement) but I have not noticed a difference between the Pre-mitch toll road and the post-mitch one. I've only driven it once or twice, and they still took my money and they still let me drive on it and it was in comparable condition to the rest of the highways in the state.

but it got the state out of debt. if Mitch can do that to the state, imagine the country.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Not a tough decision at all.... If it were Obama vs. a coat rack--- the coat rack would get my vote.

 

[caserace]

Jindal

 

[melensdad]

you mean sell off large tracts of land to foreign companies to balance the budget? eventually you run out of land.

there is a difference between privatizing jobs and sending them overseas.

You do realize he did NOT sell the land?

He sold a "Lease" on the land.

It turned out that he sold it for roughly TWICE what it is worth. The tollroad employees are still employed, they now work for a private company that paid cash up front to the state.

Lets run this down:

• Jobs remain here in Indiana
• People who had the jobs still have them
• The state stopped LOSING money on a tollroad
• The state got a buttload of foreign cash, in advance, for the lease
• Taxpayers (you and me) no longer have to support the tollroad with part of our state taxes
• Taxpayers (you and me) got spared from the tax increases that the Dems were pushing, in large part because of the up-front cash payment we received for the lease

What is the downside for us?

Your replies are often just little quips or 'sound bites' but you seen to have no real grasp on the facts.

 

[chraland51]

Melensdad it correct. Believe it or not, the toll road was nothing, but a money pit for the state from the very first day it openend. It supposedly never made us any money and was a negative influence on the State's economy. You should be glad that Governor Daniels found someone to take it off our hands and pay us for the privelege on top. It may not be in any better condition now than it was when it was under State control, but that is the fault of the Australian/Spanish consortium who are struggling with ways to make some money off of it. They need maintenance money and to show a profit to their stockholders, but can not raise the tolls very much lest there will be no one to use it. They are the ones in deep do-do and not the State.

If the poll was for Indianapolis only, I am not surprised at the results in the least. There are still a lot of dummies out there in fantasy land who are still waiting on the federal government to start making their car and house payments, give them free health insurance even though they know that it will be upon the backs of those of us who are lucky enough to still be working and get a little cut of the pie from those rich people who make over 250K per year. Too many people will vote for Obummer even if they know absolutely nothing about him for one obvious reason. To prove my point, just ask any of those who would vote for Obummer over Daniels to give you the name of the vice president and what he did before getting that office. The results should be enlightening.

 

[djl02]

you mean sell off large tracts of land to foreign companies to balance the budget? eventually you run out of land.

there is a difference between privatizing jobs and sending them overseas.

Dont forget ,that he logged out our forest,before they get sold.

 

[Bapak2ja]

Take a close look at Herman Cain. Fiscally wise. Proven leadership. Not a politician. Speaks clearly and accurately. Strong core values, similar to most Hoosiers. Committed, determined conservative principles. He can take Hussein's policies apart, and has done so effectively, without being called a racist. Lots of positives.

Of course, Mitch is better than Hussein, Newt, the RINO from MA, or the others in the race, but he is not the best choice.

 

[Plinker]

So, basically, I'm much too righteous to EVER vote for myself.

QFT

On a separate note, if it wasn't for your modesty, you'd be perfect.

 

[Paco Bedejo]

Take a close look at Herman Cain. [sic] Strong core values, similar to most Hoosiers.

Of the many things I've heard him speak about, when he gets onto social issues, he exclaims that he would do this or that & his reasoning is always based upon his personal beliefs, rather than the Constitutionality of those particular issues. I do agree that, unfortunately, this is the same approach most Hoosiers use.

He's also a Keynesian...so, I fail to see how, really, he's any different than anyone else in the race, apart from Johnson or Paul, except for the color of his skin & the immunity to racism claims it brings...

 

[grimor]

You do realize he did NOT sell the land?

He sold a "Lease" on the land.

leasing the land for nearly a century is the same as selling it as far as I'm concerned.

my thoughts exactly. I don't necesarily like that the toll road in Northern IN has been outsourced (someone who lives there correct this next statement) but I have not noticed a difference between the Pre-mitch toll road and the post-mitch one. I've only driven it once or twice, and they still took my money and they still let me drive on it and it was in comparable condition to the rest of the highways in the state.

but it got the state out of debt. if Mitch can do that to the state, imagine the country.

How much will tolls on the Indiana Toll Road go up?
the state was paying money back to the toll road to subsidize the current rate as per the lease.

 

[rhart]

Seriously, I have been looking for reasons that I would or would not vote for Mitch. I believe our number one issue is financial responsibility and he seems to do a damn good job with money. So, what negative FACTS are there about Mitch? Please dont say he doesnt support the union because that doesn't fly with me. No offense to anyone but the Union has done nothing for me or my family in my lifetime besides cost me money. If you have a great paying union job, good for you, continue to support Obama but its not for me. I once read an article in a small town newspaper that said he transferred funds from the DNR (hunting license fund) to the general fund but I have not confirmed or denied that. Just the facts please.

 

[melensdad]

Melensdad it correct. . .

HURRY please toll my wife

leasing the land for nearly a century is the same as selling it as far as I'm concerned.

Fine but you would still be wrong.

How much will tolls on the Indiana Toll Road go up?
the state was paying money back to the toll road to subsidize the current rate as per the lease.

So prices for a nearly un-used toll road double? Since almost nobody uses it, almost nobody will pay the higher prices. Still, what is wrong with people paying for what they use? In the colonial days there were many private roads and people paid tolls to cross fields, go from town to town, etc. Government didn't use tax dollars to support those roads.

And why should MY tax dollars pay for drivers who use that roadway? Seems to me that is nothing more than simple redistribution of wealth!

 

[melensdad]

Dont forget ,that he logged out our forest,before they get sold.

Please provide some reliable and scientific sources that show how logging some selected areas of a small portion of our state forest land has any long term detrimental effects to the ecology. There is one group that is complaining about something to do with bats, but I can't find anything that indicates the logging would affect them in any long term capacity. Further, in California they tend to manage their forests by not logging them, which leads to forest fires and homes burning.

Further, what is with the bogus comment about "before they get sold" when there is nothing even being discussed to sell any of our forests.

 

[grimor]

So prices for a nearly un-used toll road double? Since almost nobody uses it, almost nobody will pay the higher prices. Still, what is wrong with people paying for what they use? In the colonial days there were many private roads and people paid tolls to cross fields, go from town to town, etc. Government didn't use tax dollars to support those roads.

And why should MY tax dollars pay for drivers who use that roadway? Seems to me that is nothing more than simple redistribution of wealth!

un-used? just because you don't use it, doesn't mean it's not used. given that the company that leased it plans to be making a profit (even after the initial cost) in less that 20 years, it's a relatively short term fix to a budget. If this company can make a profit on it, then the state could just as easily done the exact same thing. You don't plan for the future by selling off the present.

A patchwork of private roads would be completely retarded in today's world. yes, it may of been the way it was 100 years ago, but a strong infrastructure needs consistency that "y'all take care yo own" just doesn't provide.

 

[melensdad]

Actually it is one of the most lightly used major roadways in the nation given the population that abuts it. So yes, in a true numerical sense, it is unused.

But nice try trying to justify it. It was a total economic drain on our state. It has now finally produced a profit for us because Daniels sold the lease during the economic/real estate bubble's peak. We got a great deal for the state.

It should be pointed out that the Spanish firm that bought the rights to lease the roadway stated it made a mistake, over paid, and never expects to break even on this roadway!!!

Still you still cling to this as an asset?

 

[djl02]

Please provide some reliable and scientific sources that show how logging some selected areas of a small portion of our state forest land has any long term detrimental effects to the ecology. There is one group that is complaining about something to do with bats, but I can't find anything that indicates the logging would affect them in any long term capacity. Further, in California they tend to manage their forests by not logging them, which leads to forest fires and homes burning.

Further, what is with the bogus comment about "before they get sold" when there is nothing even being discussed to sell any of our forests.

Small portion? Before their done it'll all be logged out. I live in Crawford,where around 30 to 40 percent is state land. Every year you see a couple new tracts marked for logging.

For one, theres no more mushrooms. We use to fine over a thousand a day,behind the house,this year after they logged or clear cut it, nothing.

Where did the money go? I've looked and cant fine a trail. The work order posted behind the house reads that the cut 184,000 oaks,plus other species that I cant remember the numbers. Wheres the money?

 

[melensdad]

Yes a small portion.

Look at the total number of acres owned by the state, then look at the relatively tiny number of acres being harvested.

You even admit that the logging is being done year by year. That is good forest management. Rather than taking all of it at one time, some is taken each year, spread out over a number of years, that allows the early harvested land to begin to regenerate before the latter pieces are harvested.

FURTHER . . . much of the land being harvested is in the Hoosier NATIONAL Forest lands which are NOT controlled by the State, but rather by the federal government. Mitch has NOTHING to do with those harvests!


Even the lefties in Bloomington admit that very little is sold a total of 3,082 trees sold for $157, 618 spread out over three parcels. 1,601 trees (314,906 board-feet) in Yellowwood State Forest sold for $58,00l -- price per tree: $36.23. 1,095 trees (233,808 board-feet) in Morgan-Monroe State Forest sold for $63,782 -- price per tree: $58.25. 386 trees (125,067 board-feet) in Yellowwood State Forest sold for $35,835 -- price per tree: $92.84. And it should be pointed out that these were sold to INDIANA businesses so it actually created Hoosier jobs.

 

[grimor]

It should be pointed out that the Spanish firm that bought the rights to lease the roadway stated it made a mistake, over paid, and never expects to break even on this roadway!!!

Still you still cling to this as an asset?

then please point it out, where is your reference?

 

[melensdad]

then please point it out, where is your reference?

Since you have apparently done ZERO research on this topic (based on your uninformed posts so far) I think you may learn quite a bit by researching the 2 companies that leased the rights. Hint: Look up the international financial media reports, not the local editorial reports in local papers.

But a libertarian take from John Stossel => http://www.creators.com/opinion/john-stossel/sell-the-roads.html