Outlaws MC raided by FBI

[Ted]

Let's leave your fantasies out of this thread. K thanks.

I like bacon. Do the schnasberries taste like schnasberries?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Please explain.

Very simple, if you support criminals, then it you probably (sorry definitely) don't support law enforcement.

 

[IndyDave1776]

I wonder who is going to take over the drug trade if the Police can successfully hold these guys. Maybe gangster disciples, maybe hells angels? I am glad the law enforcement did their job without a bunch of dead officers, but I assure you, this "victory" is only a light dusting of the surface.

In the county where I grew up, you could buy, use, and get locked up in one convenient location. I'll give you one guess where (the institution, not the community).

 

[IndyDave1776]

Very simple, if you support criminals, then it you probably (sorry definitely) don't support law enforcement.

I don't support either. With a few happy exceptions they have proven out to be about the same in my experiences with some variation depending on specifics of a given community which was worse.

In fairness, I have known a number of individual officers and one police department in which I have confidence in terms of both integrity and ability. I don't want to hear any static about this. If you have a problem with me saying this, particularly LEOs, then take out your own trash.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I don't support either. With a few happy exceptions they have proven out to be about the same in my experiences with some variation depending on specifics of a given community which was worse.

In fairness, I have known a number of individual officers and one police department in which I have confidence in terms of both integrity and ability. I don't want to hear any static about this. If you have a problem with me saying this, particularly LEOs, then take out your own trash.

Why would anyone give you static about knowing officers that you have confidence in?

 

[mrortega]

I do too. It sounds cooler.

"I'm a tactical officer".

"I'm a paramilitary storm trooper of death".

I'll go with option B.

If the raid goes down good against some real bad a$$es it's PSTD. If they get the wrong house it's tactical officer.

 

[mrortega]

FBI on scene of raid at Outlaws Motorcycle Club

Flash grenades? Really?!?

Sounds like the Evansville SWAT team got not only the wrong house but the wrong city. (Sorry Lonnie )

 

[mrortega]

According to the warrant, in addition to 70 pages of charges, they also mention that they have seized all Outlaws property at two locations in Indy. I doubt if they will have picnics there. The property in Ft Wayne has been boarded up and secured. The FBI (or other agency) removed all signs and markings from the building. The tent is still half up, but I don't think too many Outlaws will be attending.

What kind of sammiches did you fix? You might be able to have them delivered to the lock-up.

Edit: I only live 3 blocks away and in spite of their (alleged) criminal activities, the guys were good neighbors. As others have said, they took care of problems in the neighborhood and watched out for folks in this area.

Don't they usually auction off items used in criminal enterprises? Hmmmm. I wonder if they were into prostitution!

 

[jbombelli]

I can't believe so many people think 1% motorcycle clubs are decent people.

I have personal experience with the Outlaws, from a motorcycling standpoint, and wearing a family club patch and rocker, and I can assure you they ARE NOT GOOD PEOPLE.

I'm not going to go into detail, but I can name a dozen people who had their lives and the lives of their families threatened, myself included, by them. All because of a patch and not wanting to be a 1% club affiliated with them.



But then again people in Pablo Escobar's neighborhoods loved him, too.

 

[serpicostraight]

Very simple, if you support criminals, then it you probably (sorry definitely) don't support law enforcement.

which side am i on if i dont support harless,bissard etc? am i supporting criminals or not supporting leo?

 

[KG1]

Very simple, if you support criminals, then it you probably (sorry definitely) don't support law enforcement.

I do not support criminal behavior period. Even more so if the criminal activity is being perpetrated by law enforcement.

I think where you might be getting off track here just a bit is that I believe most do not support law enforcement who act like criminals but are supportive of good honest law enforcement officers as a whole.

Contrary to popular belief there is a distinction between the two.

 

[Kutnupe14]

which side am i on if i dont support harless,bissard etc? am i supporting criminals or not supporting leo?

Well that depends. They are certainly LEO that are criminals, and I suggest that you don't support them. However, ALL 1% bikers are criminals. Unless you believe that most 1% bikers and LEOs are akin to each other, I would think it would be obvious which way a law abiding citizen would lean.

 

[jbombelli]

Well that depends. They are certainly LEO that are criminals, and I suggest that you don't support them. However, ALL 1% bikers are criminals. Unless you believe that most 1% bikers and LEOs are akin to each other, I would think it would be obvious which way a law abiding citizen would lean.

I don't often agree with you on much, but we'll agree on that.

I would have said "violent criminals", though.

 

[serpicostraight]

Well that depends. They are certainly LEO that are criminals, and I suggest that you don't support them. However, ALL 1% bikers are criminals. Unless you believe that most 1% bikers and LEOs are akin to each other, I would think it would be obvious which way a law abiding citizen would lean.

i believe every individual should be judged on his actions. no matter what organization you belong to if you commit a crime against humanity then you should be dealt with. i do not believe any individual is guilty by association. if you belong to the outlaws or the thin blue line gang and you commit a crime then you should stand trial by a jury of your peers. but being a member of the outlaws does not make you a criminal any more than belonging to impd makes you a saint.

 

[jbombelli]

i believe every individual should be judged on his actions. no matter what organization you belong to if you commit a crime against humanity then you should be dealt with. i do not believe any individual is guilty by association. if you belong to the outlaws or the thin blue line gang and you commit a crime then you should stand trial by a jury of your peers. but being a member of the outlaws does not make you a criminal any more than belonging to impd makes you a saint.

Let me ask you a question. How much experience do you have with the Outlaws?


I actually have some experience with them. I met Taco Bowman in the early 90's. I went to parties at the Outlaws clubhouse in Chicago. I have actually met and partied with three separate chapters, back in the early 90's, all at the Chicago clubhouse. Every last one of them was a violent criminal.

Every. Last. One. Without. Exception.


That clubhouse was the most dangerous place I've ever been in my life.

 

[jkirby]

Let me ask you a question. How much experience do you have with the Outlaws?


I actually have some experience with them. I met Taco Bowman in the early 90's. I went to parties at the Outlaws clubhouse in Chicago. I have actually met and partied with three separate chapters, back in the early 90's, all at the Chicago clubhouse. Every last one of them was a violent criminal.

Every. Last. One. Without. Exception.


That clubhouse was the most dangerous place I've ever been in my life.

I have been around the Indy club house and I have to say that is an outlandish statement to say that every single one of them is a violent criminal. Are some, I'm sure of it but every single one, not from my experience with them. They showed me the same respect I showed them.

 

[dubsac]

Well it looks like some property might be available, INGO should buy it as our clubhouse. jk
heres there website
index

 

[jbombelli]

I have been around the Indy club house and I have to say that is an outlandish statement to say that every single one of them is a violent criminal. Are some, I'm sure of it but every single one, not from my experience with them. They showed me the same respect I showed them.

But you don't wear a patch from another club, do you?


It's not outlandish at all. I was in another club (a family club, not 1%), and know what happens, and I know what I'm talking about.

Many of you don't, because you've never been part of the organized motorcycling world.

 

[Kutnupe14]

i believe every individual should be judged on his actions. no matter what organization you belong to if you commit a crime against humanity then you should be dealt with. i do not believe any individual is guilty by association. if you belong to the outlaws or the thin blue line gang and you commit a crime then you should stand trial by a jury of your peers. but being a member of the outlaws does not make you a criminal any more than belonging to impd makes you a saint.

Ok Serpico, the Outlaws are a criminal organization. Every "full patch" member is a criminal and actively participates in crimes. You don't get "in" unless you prove that you are every bit a criminal as the rest of them.
Not holding someone accountable (ie guilty by association) may be applied to hang-arounds or prospects (and that's a HUGE stretch), but to "patched in" guys, no way. They are criminals.

 

[jbombelli]

Ok Serpico, the Outlaws are a criminal organization. Every "full patch" member is a criminal and actively participates in crimes. You don't get "in" unless you prove that you are every bit a criminal as the rest of them.
Not holding someone accountable (ie guilty by association) may be applied to hang-arounds or prospects (and that's a HUGE stretch), but to "patched in" guys, no way. They are criminals.

This is correct. Every patched member, every last one, is a violent criminal. You have to be in order to become a fully patched member.