Not condoning the manner in which he took your pistol but we get stolen guns from LTCHers quite often. Those private sales, you never know if you are buys a stolen gun or not.
Does that give you PC?
Not condoning the manner in which he took your pistol but we get stolen guns from LTCHers quite often. Those private sales, you never know if you are buys a stolen gun or not.
I'm sorry for your experience. Coming from one of the "king's men" it probably doesn't mean much, but I can assure you that not all of us act the same way and do our best to educate those that are ignorant of the law.
Not condoning the manner in which he took your pistol but we get stolen guns from LTCHers quite often. Those private sales, you never know if you are buys a stolen gun or not.
Sent Guy a PM and I know all LEO's are not like this. In fact, your jobs are hard enough that was I generally let them know I am carrying. Twice before I stopped by the ISP I informed and they just asked me to keep my hands where they could see them. When done they both asked what I carried and short conversation ensued and then have a nice day..
I will file a complaint just as soon I hear back from Guy. I will hand deliver the complaint when I pay the fine to the town.
and the nice guy I am informed the officer I was carrying
It's hard to be against the policies of departments or the brass or their elected bosses and not seem like we are against all of the kings men too.
Not condoning the manner in which he took your pistol but we get stolen guns from LTCHers quite often. Those private sales, you never know if you are buys a stolen gun or not.
I would like to read McCordsville PD's "policy." I can tell you that IMPD does not have one. As far as going against the brass or elected boss, their opinion on the matter doesn't hold any weight if their opinion wants me to do something illegal.
I see what you did there.
We are thankful for you that don't act like that and a big THANKS for educating other officers! It's hard to be against the policies of departments or the brass or their elected bosses and not seem like we are against all of the kings men too. I actually hate the thought of being "cold" to an officer if I got stopped and not shooting the crap, but its because of guys like the one in the ops post that I just don't answer questions or state I have a weapon. It's not because I'm anti-social, especially to probly a fellow gun person (cop).
Not looking to be a wiseguy but, please define "quite often"? It is afterall a very relative term. And does that somehow constitute PC? or even RS?
I would like to read McCordsville PD's "policy." I can tell you that IMPD does not have one. As far as going against the brass or elected boss, their opinion on the matter doesn't hold any weight if their opinion wants me to do something illegal.
I'm sure he will define it. I believe him if he says it but sure lets define it just for curiosity sake. I love personal sales and believe they should be protected and kept legal, but this is one reason they do scare me. Even if I make sure the guy I buy it from is legal and all, the guy he got it from might not have been but if I'm the one "caught" with it then ill be the one out the money and if I can't prove I didn't steal it then maybe get a record. (And Not the singing kind).
Plus I do feel bad because even if you have a stolen gun and you never find out, there is still some innocent gun owner out there who is a victim and at a loss.
I didn't realize this was such a problem until Denny posted that. Concerning!!
Does that give you PC?
Produce data or this is BS. Having a LTCH does not constitute PC for search or seizure. What crap.
Not looking to be a wiseguy but, please define "quite often"? It is afterall a very relative term. And does that somehow constitute PC? or even RS?
As I said, I'm not condoning it. I was just responding to the notion that the pistol was obviously NOT stolen since it was taken from a LTCHer. Not true.
SIGH!!!! OK, I DON"T take guns on traffic stops unless I have a reason. Since I don't make too many traffic stops, my run-ins with pistol carriers where I DO take the gun involves me responding to disturbances, fights, domestics, etc. In those rare instances where I do take a pistol from a LTCHer and run it, they come up stolen about 30-40% of the time. No charges, I just take it to the property room. We don't keep stats on how many stolen guns were owned by LTCH holders.
If the LEO wants to run the serial number then all they have do to is ask what the number is or request to take the weapon, knowing ful well chances are they will be told 'No". With that said, they have no right to confiscate/seize the weapon no matter for how long without RS or PC. If stolen weapons are that much of a problem with LTCHers then there should be a better way to check the number other than making an assumption and seizing the weapon without a warrant or valid reason.
Not being an A**, but 30-40% seems awful high. that would equate to approximately 5-10% of LTCHers are carrying stolen weapons, which is roughly 20,000 to 40,000 license holders in Indiana alone. I just don't see that many legal carriers carrying stolen weapons.