190"...POACHED DEER IN COMMISKEY,IN

[hammer24]

Ah youth season hunting at it best

Not sure why this 2 yr. old thread was bumped, but the deer was checked in on a Sunday in early Nov. This story has nothing to do with youth season, it was killed with a rifle in archery season.

 

[sig shooter]

Bull

I agree 100 %

 

[CountryBoy19]

Whatever happened to this cat?

See Below

Cliff Notes: All charges except 1 got dismissed as part of guilty plea to the stalking charge (Class D Felony). Sentenced to 2 years with most of it suspended as probation but supposed to serve 15 consecutive weekends in prison. He surrenders firearms and deer-carcass. He ditches his lawyer, represents himself, and gets his sentence changed to allow serving the time in a shorter period of time including week-days. He violates his probation, lawyers up, and now the court is trying to have a hearing on what to do about the probation violation and that is where the case stands right now.

03/14/2013			Case Opened as a New Filing
03/14/2013			Transaction Control Number4010011096
03/14/2013			Appearance Filed For Party: State of Indiana File Stamp: 03/14/2013
03/14/2013			Probable Cause Affidavit Filed Filed By: State of Indiana File Stamp: 03/14/2013
03/14/2013			Promise to Appear Filed
03/14/2013			Motion FiledINITIAL HEARING Filed By: State of Indiana File Stamp: 03/14/2013
03/15/2013			Order Issuedjudge webster enters order to appear for initial hearing on april 19, 2013 at 11 am Order Signed: 03/15/2013
03/20/2013			Hearing Scheduling ActivityInitial Hearing scheduled for 04/19/2013 at 11:00 AM.
03/20/2013			Service IssuedBY SHERIFF
04/03/2013			Hearing Scheduling ActivityInitial Hearing scheduled for 04/19/2013 at 11:00 AM was cancelled. Reason: Other.
04/03/2013			Appearance Filedby brian belding For Party: Green, Mark C. File Stamp: 04/03/2013
04/03/2013			Waiver of Initial Hearing Filed File Stamp: 04/03/2013
04/03/2013			Motion Filedmotion for discovery and request for rule 404 and 405 evidence Filed By: Belding, Brian J. File Stamp: 04/03/2013
04/03/2013			Order Issuedjudge webster enters order setting omnibus hearing and pre-trial conference dateon june 14,2013 at 11 am Order Signed: 04/03/2013
04/03/2013			Discovery Order Enteredby judge webster Order Signed: 04/03/2013
04/05/2013			Hearing Scheduling ActivityPretrial Conference scheduled for 06/14/2013 at 11:00 AM.
04/05/2013			Service Returned ServedNOTATION BY 409 OF SERVED BY LEAVING / COPY MAILED 04/04/13 Party Served: Green, Mark C. Date Served: 03/30/2013
04/19/2013			CANCELED Initial Hearing (11:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Webster, Jonathan W) Other
06/14/2013			Pretrial Conference (11:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Webster, Jonathan W) Result: Commenced and concluded
06/14/2013			Hearing Journal Entrynot on record; all parties appear in person for ptc and inform court to set jury trial Hearing Date: 06/14/2013
06/18/2013			Order on Jury Trial (Judicial Officer: Webster, Jonathan W ) Court enters Order Setting Jury Trial and Other Deadlines; trial by jury set for 3/4/14 at 9:00 a.m. (3 days reserved); all discovery and motions to be complete by 1/3/14; final witness and exhibit lists by 2/3/14; final attorneys conference set for 2/7/14 at 11:00 a.m., jury to be called 2/7/14. Order Signed: 06/18/2013
06/18/2013			Hearing Scheduling ActivityFinal PreTrial Conference scheduled for 02/07/2014 at 11:00 AM.
06/18/2013			Hearing Scheduling ActivityJury Trial scheduled for 03/04/2014 at 9:00 AM.
06/18/2013			Hearing Scheduling ActivityJury Trial scheduled for 03/05/2014 at 9:00 AM.
06/18/2013			Hearing Scheduling ActivityJury Trial scheduled for 03/06/2014 at 9:00 AM.
02/03/2014			Witness and/or Exhibit List Filed Filed By: Dickerson, William Drew Filed By: State of Indiana File Stamp: 01/30/2014
02/07/2014			Final PreTrial Conference (11:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Webster, Jonathan W) Result: Commenced and concluded
02/07/2014			Hearing Scheduling ActivityJury Trial scheduled for 03/04/2014 at 9:00 AM was cancelled. Reason: Other.
02/07/2014			Hearing Scheduling ActivityJury Trial scheduled for 03/05/2014 at 9:00 AM was cancelled. Reason: Other.
02/07/2014			Hearing Scheduling ActivityJury Trial scheduled for 03/06/2014 at 9:00 AM was cancelled. Reason: Other.
02/07/2014			Hearing Journal Entrynot on record; all parties appear for fac and inform court to set guilty plea with agreed sentence Hearing Date: 02/07/2014
02/07/2014			Administrative Eventnot to ccs; hearing entry should reflect open sentence; psi needed
02/26/2014			Order Issuedjudge webster enters order setting guilty plea and sentencing hearing on april 16, 2014 at 1030 am (60 min, #2 setting); presentence is ordered Order Signed: 02/26/2014
02/28/2014			Hearing Scheduling ActivityHearing on Motion to Enter Plea Pursuant to Plea Agreement scheduled for 04/16/2014 at 10:30 AM.
03/04/2014			CANCELED Jury Trial (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Webster, Jonathan W) Other
03/20/2014			Motion for Continuance Filedof gp/sent set on march 20, 2014 Filed By: Belding, Brian J. File Stamp: 03/20/2014
03/20/2014			Order Granting Motion for Continuancejudge webster enters order granting continuance and resetting hearing date from april 16, 2014 to may 27, 2014 at 2 pm (1 hour) Order Signed: 03/20/2014
03/21/2014			Hearing Scheduling ActivityHearing on Motion to Enter Plea Pursuant to Plea Agreement scheduled for 04/16/2014 at 10:30 AM was cancelled. Reason: Other.
03/21/2014			Pre-Sentence Investigation Report Filed File Stamp: 03/21/2014
03/26/2014			Hearing Scheduling ActivityHearing on Motion to Enter Plea Pursuant to Plea Agreement scheduled for 05/27/2014 at 2:00 PM.
04/16/2014			CANCELED Hearing on Motion to Enter Plea Pursuant to Plea Agreement (10:30 AM) (Judicial Officer Webster, Jonathan W) Other presentence
05/27/2014			Hearing on Motion to Enter Plea Pursuant to Plea Agreement (2:00 PM) (Judicial Officer Webster, Jonathan W) Result: Commenced and concluded
05/27/2014			Hearing Journal Entry (Judicial Officer: Webster, Jonathan W ) State appears by Drew Dickerson. Defendant appears in person and by counsel Brian J. Belding. Guilty plea hearing is held and the court enters judgment of conviction for the charge of Stalking, a Class D felony, order of sentence and abstract of judgment (24 mos. 1 mo executed to be served on 15 consecutive weekends beginning 6/6/14 at 6:00 p.m. (1 actual day credit in addition to the weekends) 23 mos. probation)
05/27/2014			Abstract of Judgment Completed for non-DOC case (Judicial Officer: Webster, Jonathan W )
05/27/2014			(Judicial Officer: Webster, Jonathan W) 1. 35-45-10-5(a)/FD: StalkingPlea by Agreement 2. 35-45-2-1(a)(1)/FD: IntimidationDismissed 3. 35-43-1-2(a)(1)/MB: Criminal Mischief. Damages or defaces property of another w/o consent.Dismissed 4. 35-43-1-2(a)(1)/MB: Criminal Mischief. Damages or defaces property of another w/o consent.Dismissed 5. 35-43-1-2(a)(1)/MB: Criminal Mischief. Damages or defaces property of another w/o consent.Dismissed 6. 35-43-1-2(a)(1)/MB: Criminal Mischief. Damages or defaces property of another w/o consent.Dismissed 7. 35-43-1-2(a)(1)/MB: Criminal Mischief. Damages or defaces property of another w/o consent.Dismissed 8. 35-43-1-2(a)(1)/MB: Criminal Mischief. Damages or defaces property of another w/o consent.Dismissed 9. 35-43-1-2(a)(1)/MB: Criminal Mischief. Damages or defaces property of another w/o consent.Dismissed 10. 14-22-6-1/MB: Illegal Taking of a Wild Animal - Deer or Wild TurkeyDismissed 11. 9-30-7-5/IFC: Refusal to Submit to Breath or Chemical TestDismissed 12. 9-18-2-27(a)(2)/IFC: Oper Motor Veh w/ Fictitious Registration Number/IFCDismissed
05/27/2014			1. 35-45-10-5(a)/FD: Stalking Comment () Confinement to Commence 05/27/2014 Indiana Department of Correction Term:2 Yr Jail Credit: 1 Days Suspended: 690 Days Consecutive with Prior Sentence: 40D01-1307-CM-261 Comment: Defendant to serve 15 consecutive weekends in the Jennings Co. Jail beginning 6/6/14
06/27/2014			Motion to Withdraw Appearance Filedby brian belding File Stamp: 06/27/2014
06/27/2014			Order Granting Motion to Withdraw Appearancejudge webster enters order and withdraws brian belding Order Signed: 06/27/2014
08/22/2014			Appearance FiledBrian J. Belding For Party: Green, Mark C. File Stamp: 08/22/2014
08/22/2014			Motion to Modify Sentence Filed Filed By: Green, Mark C. File Stamp: 08/22/2014
08/25/2014			Agreement of Parties Filedapproving order modifying sentence....sentence to be completed within 90 days and may be served during the week as long as it is a minimum of 48 hours. Filed By: Green, Mark C. Filed By: State of Indiana File Stamp: 08/25/2014
09/05/2014			Motion to Withdraw Appearance Filed File Stamp: 09/05/2014
09/08/2014			Order Granting Motion to Withdraw Appearance (Judicial Officer: Webster, Jonathan W ) of Mr. Belding Order Signed: 09/08/2014
09/10/2014			Motion Filedto forfeit firearm(s) and deer carcass Filed By: Dickerson, William Drew File Stamp: 09/10/2014
09/16/2014			Order Set for Hearing (Judicial Officer: Webster, Jonathan W ) on the State's Motion to Forfeit Firearms and Deer Carcass for 9/30/14 at 2:00 p.m., Defendant ordered to appear. Order Signed: 09/16/2014
09/17/2014			Hearing Scheduling ActivityHearing scheduled for 09/30/2014 at 2:00 PM.
09/26/2014			Case ReOpened
09/26/2014			Motion for Continuance Filedof hearing on state's motion to forfeit firearms and deer carcass set on sept 30, 2014 Filed By: Dickerson, William Drew File Stamp: 09/26/2014
09/26/2014			Order Issuedccs entry; judge webster sets hearing on dec 23, 2014 at 10 am (30 min) Order Signed: 09/26/2014
09/29/2014			Hearing Scheduling ActivityHearing scheduled for 09/30/2014 at 2:00 PM was cancelled. Reason: Other.
09/30/2014			CANCELED Hearing (2:00 PM) (Judicial Officer Webster, Jonathan W) Other on State's Motion to Forfeit Firearms and Deer Carcass
10/22/2014			Hearing Scheduling ActivityHearing scheduled for 12/23/2014 at 10:00 AM.
12/23/2014			Hearing (10:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Webster, Jonathan W) state's motion to forfeit firearm(s) and deer carcass Result: Commenced and concluded
12/23/2014			Hearing Journal Entry (Judicial Officer: Webster, Jonathan W ) State appears by Drew Dickerson. Defendant does not appear. Court grants the State's Petition, Mr. Dickerson to submit order
02/10/2015			Order Issuedjudge webster enters order on state's motion for forfeiture Order Signed: 02/10/2015
03/18/2015			Petition Filedpetition for appointment of special prosecuting attorney Filed By: Dickerson, William Drew File Stamp: 03/18/2015
04/27/2015			Order Issuedjudge webster enters order appointing a special prosecuting attorney; nathan harter of decatur county; (note: court was notified by mr belding's office on april 24, 2015 that mr harter would be taking this case) Order Signed: 04/27/2015
05/06/2015			Appearance Filed For Party: State of Indiana Attorney: Harter, Nathan Warren, IV File Stamp: 05/06/2015
05/06/2015			Document Filedacceptance of appointment as special prosecutor Filed By: Harter, Nathan Warren, IV File Stamp: 05/06/2015
05/06/2015			Case ReOpened
05/06/2015			Notice of Violation of Probation Filed By: Harter, Nathan Warren, IV File Stamp: 05/06/2015
06/19/2015			Order Issuedjudge webster enters order to appear in court on notice of probation violation and sets for hearing on july 31, 2015 at 1030 am (30 min) Order Signed: 06/19/2015
06/19/2015			Hearing Scheduling ActivityHearing on Motion to Revoke Suspended Sentence scheduled for 07/31/2015 at 10:30 AM.
06/22/2015			Service IssuedService to Mark Green at 10105 S Co Rd 800 W in Paris Crossing with Notice of Violation and Order to Appear on 7-31-2015 at 1030am via Jennings County Sheriff Requested By: State of Indiana Serve To: Green, Mark C. Issued: 06/22/2015
06/26/2015			Motion for Continuance Filedof revocation hearing set on july 31, 2015 Filed By: Harter, Nathan Warren, IV File Stamp: 06/26/2015
06/29/2015			Hearing Scheduling ActivityHearing on Motion to Revoke Suspended Sentence scheduled for 07/31/2015 at 10:30 AM was cancelled. Reason: Other.
06/29/2015			Order Granting Motion for Continuancesenior judge moore enters order and continues revocation hearing from july 31, 2015 to sept 15, 2015 at 11 am (30 min, #2 setting) Order Signed: 06/29/2015
07/07/2015			Appearance Filed For Party: Green, Mark C. Attorney: Dove, Mark J File Stamp: 07/07/2015
07/09/2015			Service Returned ServedServed in person Party Served: Green, Mark C. Date Served: 07/05/2015
07/15/2015			Hearing Scheduling ActivityHearing on Motion to Revoke Suspended Sentence scheduled for 09/15/2015 at 11:00 AM.
07/31/2015			CANCELED Hearing on Motion to Revoke Suspended Sentence (10:30 AM) (Judicial Officer Webster, Jonathan W) Other
09/15/2015			Hearing on Motion to Revoke Suspended Sentence (11:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Webster, Jonathan W)

 

[bwframe]

Who but the children should benefit from a pressure free day in the woods to maybe harvest a deer. And hopefully a Monster for the first deer. If we don't support the youth being involved with hunting ,and fishing these sports will fade away in a few decades. For most kids a youth day they are lucky to see a deer much less harvest a large B & C record. They are still in the learning stages and can't sit still much less be quiet.
You are a very selfish man to think of your own wants and needs before a child.
We truly can be our own worst enemy..

Ripe for abuse generally done by the adults...

Correct. An adult must be present for Indiana's youth deer season. The abusing of the system comes from adults hunting for the kid that they used as a tool to get exclusive first access.

On your calling me selfish, I don't buy into that baloney about coddling kids into hunting and fishing with special provisions. They are either encouraged or they are not. They are either interested or they are not. They will continue to pursue fish and game or they will not.

Discounted pricing is fine, but giving them "free stuff" and special exclusive seasons in many cases actually sets a poor example.

But, but, but...
...yeah, I know...

..."It's for the children"

 

[Zoub]

I

Online pics, peer pressure, yeah nobody ever reacts badly to having that done to them

Good Lord, this thread rises like a floater turd in a low water use toilet.

Now this is where I think the CoC in a forum like this gets in the way of honest discourse. Please read this with purple in your eyes. I would say the same thing to my own brother.

Hey dip****, looks like you got an answer 2.5 years later. Got any kids of your own yet?

Youth hunts are feel good BS right up there with gun control and ethanol fuel.

Damn looks like I grabbed the wrong post in the quote! Who is the dumbness now?

 

[Zoub]

You think in 2 years anyone will look at that same kid and this picture and scream CRIMINAL!! and not allow their kids to hang out with him or keep him from getting a part time job at the local Pap Johns?

Then after High School ?? You seriously think that this incident and that innocent picture will make colleges rethink accepting him???

I think that a lot of you are blowing the whole "photo" thing way out of proportion. That's all I'm saying. The photo and I doubt the whole poaching incident will have little to no effect on that kids future.

Although I know that I just go running around town talking about people that kill animals out of season all the time.

Here it is, this one! I am leaving my jacked up mess above because it fits this thread.

 

[17 squirrel]

On your calling me selfish, I don't buy into that baloney about coddling kids into hunting and fishing with special provisions. They are either encouraged or they are not. They are either interested or they are not. They will continue to pursue fish and game or they will not.

Coddling ?? that's funny. You should meet my son.

 

[Zoub]

Did you beat him with dead animals so he would hunt better? I am not judging you if you did, I like the idea.

 

[Restroyer]

Correct. An adult must be present for Indiana's youth deer season. The abusing of the system comes from adults hunting for the kid that they used as a tool to get exclusive first access.

On your calling me selfish, I don't buy into that baloney about coddling kids into hunting and fishing with special provisions. They are either encouraged or they are not. They are either interested or they are not. They will continue to pursue fish and game or they will not.

Discounted pricing is fine, but giving them "free stuff" and special exclusive seasons in many cases actually sets a poor example.

But, but, but...
...yeah, I know...

..."It's for the children"

I also think you are being selfish. "First dibs" - that's selfish! Their are always abusers of good ideas (such as adults using their kids youth weekend to hunt for themselves) but that doesn't mean you remove the good idea of a youth hunt weekend because a small percentage of people are abusing it - that's the same argument nut job gun control freaks use when they say ban guns because a small % of gun owners are killers. Then there is the fact that the last weekend in September is the most crappy of times to go. Here in SE Indiana the Sunday of youth hunt was 82 degrees and dry as a popcorn fart. Not much in deer activity. yet me and my twin boys sat in our blind for 15 hours between Saturday and Sunday and the temp in the blind was at one time 95 degrees. Yeah that's "coddling". Yeah, you are selfish!

 

[17 squirrel]

Did you beat him with dead animals so he would hunt better? I am not judging you if you did, I like the idea.

Now theirs a thought. i should beat him for doing something he just loves LOL.. he was brought into the woods the winter he was 5. he watched the first year or so and then he harvested his first deer at 7 with a muzzle-loader, two thirty grain pellets and a 200 grain 45 caliber pistol bullet in a old knight rifle. We would fish for white and yellow perch from about 4 years old on the Patuxent river behind my family's farm where he still lives. Ducks and Goose were introduced around 9 or 10 and it all just" clicked " with him. i was lucky i guess. If i went or my best friend went fishing or in the woods his son and mine came along with us.

 

[bwframe]

I also think you are being selfish. "First dibs" - that's selfish! Their are always abusers of good ideas (such as adults using their kids youth weekend to hunt for themselves) but that doesn't mean you remove the good idea of a youth hunt weekend because a small percentage of people are abusing it - that's the same argument nut job gun control freaks use when they say ban guns because a small % of gun owners are killers. Then there is the fact that the last weekend in September is the most crappy of times to go. Here in SE Indiana the Sunday of youth hunt was 82 degrees and dry as a popcorn fart. Not much in deer activity. yet me and my twin boys sat in our blind for 15 hours between Saturday and Sunday and the temp in the blind was at one time 95 degrees. Yeah that's "coddling". Yeah, you are selfish!

No reason to put up with that hot weather BS, just take them for the regular season, like the rest of us.
We didn't have or didn't need special provisions to learn to appreciate the hunt.

Coddling ?? that's funny. You should meet my son.

I'm sure your son is a fine man. He didn't need anything special to make him into a hunter, he had you. That's all he needed, not entitlements to encourage.

 

[Hookeye]

I'm kinda sick of people not working towards goals (not a fan of immediate gratification culture).
And I think some folks are putting kids out there, killing stuff, at too early of an age.
Smaller parcel hunting, you bet youth season could offer unfair advantage to the next door kid.
Have no problem with youth season being antlerless only.
And I have kids.
Youngest could have gone youth this yr, but medical issues ruined her hunting for all of the seasons.
I did buy her a new bow, that she might be able to try.

Teaching kids to work for something, maybe even taking a long while.

Yeah, that'll ruin 'em.

 

[Restroyer]

No reason to put up with that hot weather BS, just take them for the regular season, like the rest of us.
We didn't have or didn't need special provisions to learn to appreciate the hunt.

It's not a special provision - its' an opportunity to teach hunting to preserve it. We hunted on our own property but I know a lot of fathers like to take their kids out on public land for the youth hunt and they do not take them out on public land for firearms season because the knucklehead adults are dangerous and shoot anything that moves on public land. So for safety (or at least a more comfortable feeling) parents like the youth weekend. Less shooters makes them fell more safe. Sorry you are afraid some kid is going to get "your deer."

 

[bwframe]

Sorry you are afraid some kid is going to get "your deer."

Now you see, that's just not nice. And you wonder why your judgement gets questioned?

 

[17 squirrel]

I'm kinda sick of people not working towards goals (not a fan of immediate gratification culture).
And I think some folks are putting kids out there, killing stuff, at too early of an age.
Smaller parcel hunting, you bet youth season could offer unfair advantage to the next door kid.
Have no problem with youth season being antlerless only.
And I have kids.
Youngest could have gone youth this yr, but medical issues ruined her hunting for all of the seasons.
I did buy her a new bow, that she might be able to try.

Teaching kids to work for something, maybe even taking a long while.

Yeah, that'll ruin 'em.

What would be instant gratification with hunting with a child on youth day ?
And when in your opinion is the appropriate age to take a child in the woods or fishing , you know " killing stuff "
Why should youth day be antlerless only. The kids get one Special day, that it one lousy day. It's a quiet , pressure free day. Christ we can't give them that without some adults being jealous.. What happened to you ? Did a kid kill your special deer that you couldn't harvest ?
And how long should a child work on it before they should have the privilege to hunt and fish without some adults looking down on them for hunting and spending quality time with a parent.

When I was a kid there was no such thing as a Hunter Safety Course,
It took about 10 classroom hours and a morning at the range for my son to pass in the state of MD. Thats not enough for you to allow him to pay his license and stamp fees and hunt and fish ?
We truly are our own worst enemys,

 

[Hookeye]

Sorry, I didn't know the magical effect of regular deer season, taking junior would be deer slayers back to Pokemon fanatics.

While maybe a traditionalist of sorts, blasting deer when the leaves are green just doesn't look/feel/smell right.

What age should kids hunt? I dunno. Deer are bigger and there is something to scale. Might be best to have them start with smaller stuff, see how they handle the good and bad of it. I think the old DNR guideline of about age 12 to be decent (Hunter's Ed). Some kids maybe sooner, some later.

Having kids blast deer at age 5 I think a bit over the top.

Hunter's Ed.............yeah more and more, having kids so young that adults have to read them the questions and explain them for the test....I think that is a bit much.

No jealousy. I'm a parent, have raised 5 kids and almost have 6th going to college. My dad is a Hunters Ed instructor too. Plus I've worked at two sizeable facilities, plus between jobs did gun/bow retail.

I think I know how a hell of a lot of people act. And like I've said before, they suck.

 

[Hookeye]

I think kids should be kids as long as they can.
And dealing death, esp on the larger scale like with deer............shouldn't be taken lightly.
Kids don't think like adults. While that may be of some benefit when it comes to hunting, it might not be.
Better I think to introduce them to the sport incrementally, not have them nuke a deer for their first animal when they just got out of their damn camo Huggies.

Have already heard about missed deer by kids because their parents didn't equip them properly. Missed is one thing. Gut shot and lost is another.

Heaven forbid a guy try to be a bit protective of a kid.

 

[bwframe]

...Have already heard about missed deer by kids because their parents didn't equip them properly. Missed is one thing. Gut shot and lost is another...

I thought that was why they made the .410 slug legal for deer a while back? So the little guys could shoot AT deer?

Aiming over only the front bead of a cheap no recoil gun that they have shot twice.

 

[Bfish]

I know that people can abuse the youth season, but I've seen nothing but good come from it. Some kids I go to church who's dads do not hunt and want to get access to some hunting that way... I feel like they could outside of youth season but I've seen lots of kids get hunting opportunities they may not have otherwise.

And as far as the argument of it being the things that gets kids into hunting I can't disagree more. I know so many people that don't get into hunting until they get out of their parents house and on their own. Sometimes in college and other times when they are 25 and 26 years old! And I've seen it even later than that really. Guys you take hunting because they've never been and then they get hooked.

I don't care either way about youth seasons I guess. I am crazy about some hunting, but deer hunting really does just bring out the crazy in people. I've almost grown to have a dislike for it because of what I feel it's become and I've just been hunting my hunting efforts more towards other things.

 

[SMiller]

So much butthurt in this thread, all anger should be towards the guy that decided to use a .223 when the rest of us could not, glad he got a felony out of the deal.