Barred for life from Ball State for doing something Legal

[BehindBlueI's]

Speeding is illegal, getting caught leads to uncovering of other illegal activity

Carrying a handgun is legal, so I don't follow your logic to its conclusion.

Both activities do draw attention to you.

objectively it appears it is not legal to carry a handgun on BSU property

It is legal, you can't be arrested for it.

then effectively carrying a gun is illegal.

No. Because you can't be arrested for it.

Get caught carrying a gun? Get banned. Not arrested. You have an exit point that will prevent you from going to jail. Leaving.
Get caught trespassing? Get arrested. It's irrelevant at this point if you have a gun or not. You still aren't being arrested for having a gun. You are being arrested for trespassing. Trespassing is illegal, carrying a gun still isn't.
The speeding bit is analogy, the claim that X led to Z so X actually IS Z, ignoring the steps (Y) in between.

 

[cobber]

It is legal, you can't be arrested for it.



No. Because you can't be arrested for it.

Get caught carrying a gun? Get banned. Not arrested. You have an exit point that will prevent you from going to jail. Leaving.
Get caught trespassing? Get arrested. It's irrelevant at this point if you have a gun or not. You still aren't being arrested for having a gun. You are being arrested for trespassing.

The speeding bit is analogy, the claim that X led to Z so X actually IS Z, ignoring the steps (Y) in between.

Too much clarity here for INGO.

 

[ATM]

Speeding is illegal, getting caught leads to uncovering of other illegal activity

Carrying a handgun is legal, so I don't follow your logic to its conclusion.

Both activities do draw attention to you.

Carrying a handgun, while legal, can get you trespassed from a place that doesn't want guns. If you then return, with or without a handgun, you are trespassing which is illegal just like speeding.


ETA: Typed this while BBIs was posting his own clarification.

 

[eldirector]

So, I assume barred from BSU property (buildings and the parcels they sit on), but not the public sidewalks, streets, and right-of-ways?

 

[KittySlayer]

Isn't it a state facility ? They have the rite to ask you to leave the property and have you arrested if you refuse and then ban you .But if you leave without being arrested what cause do they have to ban you?
As far as i know state property is not a gun free zones .Correct me if i am wrong

As I follow your logic the Mayor of Bloomington could trespass/ban you for carrying on the streets of Bloomington then. Even though the Bloomington streets are taxpayer owned he doesn't like guns so he doesn't want you to have them in his little fiefdom. It quickly becomes a slippery slope.

If you want taxpayer owned/funded facilities then 1A and 2A rights of citizens comes along with the property. If you want it to be a GFZ and ban citizens then pony up the money for a private college.

 

[BugI02]

The take-away is, whether you are President of the US or president of a university; if you can get enough of the local authorities behind you the law is what you say it is (unless and until stopped by more powerful authorities).

We need to remember that every time we enter a voting booth, every time we consider whether to authorize bond issues. What issues we have with those authorities need to be made plain before and after we vote down their bond issue/ vote them out of office

 

[mcapo]

Just like the no-carry law for the state fair or public schools - just one legislative action away from banning guns on any campus that receives state funding...

 

[foszoe]

Let's see if I understand. Anywhere at any time for any reason, one can be banned by a person with authority over the place where one is and if one refuses to leave or if one comes back at any time one can be criminally charged with trespass unless the law provides specific protection?

 

[CraigAPS]

As I follow your logic the Mayor of Bloomington could trespass/ban you for carrying on the streets of Bloomington then. Even though the Bloomington streets are taxpayer owned he doesn't like guns so he doesn't want you to have them in his little fiefdom. It quickly becomes a slippery slope.

This couldn't happen. The streets are public property (essentially everyone "owns" sidewalks and streets in a city); BSU, while state-funded, is still property owned by the university (private property made accessible to the public). While, BSU can decide what flies in/on its property, the mayor of a city cannot decide what flies on public sidewalks and streets so long as their is no law/statute that prohibits what's going on. In the case of carrying a firearm, BSU can decide whether or not someone can possess one on its property. A mayor cannot decide whether or not someone can carry one on the public sidewalks as he has no ownership over the property because it is not private property.

 

[drillsgt]

This couldn't happen. The streets are public property (essentially everyone "owns" sidewalks and streets in a city); BSU, while state-funded, is still property owned by the university (private property made accessible to the public). While, BSU can decide what flies in/on its property, the mayor of a city cannot decide what flies on public sidewalks and streets so long as their is no law/statute that prohibits what's going on. In the case of carrying a firearm, BSU can decide whether or not someone can possess one on its property. A mayor cannot decide whether or not someone can carry one on the public sidewalks as he has no ownership over the property because it is not private property.

Ball State isn't private property, are the roads that run through BSU entirely maintained by BSU maintenance etc.

 

[CraigAPS]

Ball State isn't private property, are the roads that run through BSU entirely maintained by BSU maintenance etc.

The guy that got banned went into one of the dorms which is BSU property and is maintained solely by the university.

 

[drillsgt]

The guy that got banned went into one of the dorms which is BSU property and is maintained solely by the university.

Big deal he went in a dorm. Are they coded, who let him in? The handbook says a student can face repercussions for violating dorm rules but a guest is just immediately asked to leave, not sure where this whole banning comes in.

 

[CraigAPS]

The dorm he entered has a food area which is open without the coded locks. The areas with the rooms are only accessible via a properly coded BSU ID. The "big deal" is because he went into a building which is governed by BSU policy which includes a "no weapons" clause.

 

[SnoopLoggyDog]

Concealed Carry means concealed. If the gun owner had followed that principle, there would have been no drama.

 

[Doublehelix]

My daughter (who is a Junior at BSU) said to us last night, "Did you hear about the shooter on BSU campus????"

Ugh! It was *not* a "shooter" as I tried to explain to her. The school media blows this up into something that is so sinister and it becomes a "shooter".

I understand their stance, not that I like it, but there is way too much liability for them *not* to over-react to situations like this. But once they vet the guy and find out he is OK, why ban him?

 

[Hookeye]

The university calls him a "shooter" because a "man with a gun" is also known as MWAG.............and on college campuses that could mean "Muslim with a goat".

 

[Hookeye]

What dorms did he enter?
Heard Dehority and Woodward.
The latter may have the food area.

Banned for life, from BSU............to think that just packing a gun/ or holster............could win such a grand prize.

 

[voidsherpa]

Ball State isn't private property, are the roads that run through BSU entirely maintained by BSU maintenance etc.

My question is could BSU ban you from their property preemptively if this same thing had played out on said adjacent public road.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Let's see if I understand. Anywhere at any time for any reason, one can be banned by a person with authority over the place where one is and if one refuses to leave or if one comes back at any time one can be criminally charged with trespass unless the law provides specific protection?

Not anywhere. Some places require an eviction or some type of hearing. If you have no contractual interest (ie, you pay rent) and it's not public land...then usually the answer is yes, if the owner or an agent tells you too scoot, failure to scoot or returning is trespass.

I know a fellow, now dead, that was such a giant PITA he got trespassed from a hospital.

 

[walt o]

not to derail this thread ,If you enter a hospital and most are posted (NO GUNS )could you be banned from entering the hospital and seeing a patient in the future ? I posed this question when my wife was in the hospital dying and received NO conclusive answer except ("they could ban you you if they wanted to)