INGOer Teaches INGO Why Loaded Guns Matter

[Kirk Freeman]

Why all guns are always loaded. Don't let the next bloody paw we on the Internet see be yours.

The only error I see is she misspelled, "eet taint low-dead!"

INGOer Tamara schools you:

Not This Again! (A Handy Reminder) | Breach Bang Clear

 

[KellyinAvon]

Why all guns are always loaded. Don't let the next bloody paw we on the Internet see be yours.

The only error I see is she misspelled, "eet taint low-dead!"

INGOer Tamara schools you:

Not This Again! (A Handy Reminder) | Breach Bang Clear

Daah! Scary stuff! Don't be this guy! I lived the 4 rules before I knew they were numbered, and it was to avoid being this guy.

 

[dung]

Some beautiful pictures there. Hopefully I can continue to not make myself look like that.

 

[Old Dog]

That hurt me just looking at the pictures, but it is just unbelievable that this person did this twice in 15 years, and a LEO to boot!

 

[EyeCarry]

Tamara has it right, if you don't make it habit, well...it won't be at the most inconvenient time. I read this type of post every time I see one to reinforce the importance of muzzle control. I hope that I am never somewhere where this happens while I am there.

 

[HubertGummer]

You can't let comfort breed complacency.

Those looked like they hurt.

 

[PMR]

Why wouldn't that guy at lease verify that the gun wasn't loaded? That's the very first thing I do when handed a gun, no matter who handed it to me.

I wonder if it hurt when the Doc removed the pins in the last picture.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Why all guns are always loaded. Don't let the next bloody paw we on the Internet see be yours.

The only error I see is she misspelled, "eet taint low-dead!"

INGOer Tamara schools you:

Not This Again! (A Handy Reminder) | Breach Bang Clear

You seem to have this perpetually condescending tone with regards to INGO and INGO-members.

Am I picking up on that wrong?

 

[chezuki]

You seem to have this perpetually condescending tone with regards to INGO and INGO-members.

Am I picking up on that wrong?

No.

 

[Gunaria]

Oh noes... is this another let's dog pile on Kirk when you don't agree with him thread again.? Don't let them get to you Kirk, which I'm sure they don't.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Oh noes... is this another let's dog pile on Kirk when you don't agree with him thread again.? Don't let them get to you Kirk, which I'm sure they don't.

Can't recall the last time I ever speculated anything about Kirk. As an outsider looking in, and recalling previous threads made by him... essentially it goes like this: "Oh no, stupid stinky INGO people did stupid things. Here's a thread!"

Then usually there's a comment about how negative he is toward INGO...

And now here's your comment, excusing him for being negative.

Meh. Couldn't give less of a ****. Just asked my question, and maybe he'll respond correcting the way I perceived his thread.

 

[Warrior1354]

It's quite amazing how dumb people are with firearms. First rule of gun safety never assume a gun is unloaded. I mean anytime I open up my safe I know my rifles in there are unloaded but I still check the chambers every time. It's just a habit and a good habit.

I still remember a few years ago when a gentleman at the 1500 show blew his thumb off outside in the parking lot.

 

[bwframe]

I don't care care for anyone making a negative reference to INGO or INGOers as a whole.

While there are certainly INGOers that are naive to safe gun handling, even some who are insolent to standard gun safety rules, that is certainly not all of us. It is counterproductive to use INGO as any kind of derogatory term and should be a concern of all of us, including members who mistakenly do it.

I have been guilty of this INGO negative behavior in the past, as have a lot of others. A lot of us have posted, "What was the INGO user name?" referring to a news post about bad gun handling or behavior. I have learned that this is wrong and leads to others mimicking the subtle reference that all INGOers are waiting around for the next Darwin award.

Hopefully we all can set proper examples and educate the members that need it through positive example rather than negative grouping and shaming.



That said, I have seen a handful of INGOers, that should know better (claim to know better,) "present" handguns readily pointing them at their other hand. I won't mention user names, but some of these are very well known. Hopefully they'll read this and think about their innocent handling of "unloaded guns."

Good job to Tamara for writing the article and Kirk for posting it!


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[Jackson]

If you said (or thought) he should have checked the chamber and that would have solved the problem... Well you've missed the boat.

The first rule of gun safety is either A. All guns are always loaded; or B. Treat all guns as if they are loaded (depending on who you ask). It does not have anything to do with verifying the status of the firearm. The folks who are saying "oh, well he should have checked the chamber" are missing the point of rule number 1 entirely.

We don't do gun handling things with any gun that we cannot do with a loaded gun. There should only be one set of gun handling protocols available to you and they are the ones for a loaded gun.

 

[cbhausen]

If you said (or thought) he should have checked the chamber and that would have solved the problem... Well you've missed the boat.

The first rule of gun safety is either A. All guns are always loaded; or B. Treat all guns as if they are loaded (depending on who you ask). It does not have anything to do with verifying the status of the firearm. The folks who are saying "oh, well he should have checked the chamber" are missing the point of rule number 1 entirely.

We don't do gun handling things with any gun that we cannot do with a loaded gun. There should only be one set of gun handling protocols available to you and they are the ones for a loaded gun.

MY Rule #1 is Safe Direction, ALWAYS, thus making loaded status (or verification thereof) SECONDARY, as it should be.

Your mileage may vary; mine doesn't.

 

[Jackson]

MY Rule #1 is Safe Direction, ALWAYS, thus making loaded status (or verification thereof) SECONDARY, as it should be.

Your mileage may vary; mine doesn't.

Or tertiary, since your Rule #3 is ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use. This is the rule I'm not too keen on in the NRA three rule system. It may, for some people, reinforce the idea that rules 1 and 2 only apply to the loaded gun you're ready to use. I also don't really care for the fact they need to include another 5 or 15 beyond the important ones, depending on which NRA book you're looking at.

Nonetheless, we are in agreement. It wasn't the loaded/unloaded status which caused this incident. It was poor gun handling and failure to observe rules 2 and 3 (cooper) or rule 1 and 2 (NRA), depending on your numbering system. That and fiddle farting with a gun he didn't need to fiddle with. If he'd left it in the holster, he'd have one less hole in his hand.

 

[cbhausen]

Or tertiary, since your Rule #3 is ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use. This is the rule I'm not too keen on in the NRA three rule system. It may, for some people, reinforce the idea that rules 1 and 2 only apply to the loaded gun you're ready to use. I also don't really care for the fact they need to include another 5 or 15 beyond the important ones, depending on which NRA book you're looking at.

Nonetheless, we are in agreement. It wasn't the loaded/unloaded status which caused this incident. It was poor gun handling and failure to observe rules 2 and 3 (cooper) or rule 1 and 2 (NRA), depending on your numbering system. That and fiddle farting with a gun he didn't need to fiddle with. If he'd left it in the holster, he'd have one less hole in his hand.

We definitely agree more than we disagree. Safe direction is paramount, it trumps everything else. We observe safe direction whenever we handle firearms safely; we keep our booger hooks off the bang switches until we're ready to hear a bang. All the other stuff really applies to storage; the first three rules adequately cover handling.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

You seem to have this perpetually condescending tone with regards to INGO and INGO-members.

Am I picking up on that wrong?

Quit it with the snowflake act.

I am saving lives, if that offends you, good, it means you are paying attention.

 

[NIFT]

I see people stuff handgun muzzles into their hands (with finger on the trigger) all the freaking time, especially at a gun store where I "work" (unpaid) from time to time. Such flagrant safety violations are constant and not limited just to the customers. When I mention the violation(s) to the person, here are the most common responses:

1. It's not loaded.
2. No, I didn't; my finger was not on the trigger.
3. No, I didn't; my hand was on top of the slide.
4. No, I didn't; you fill in the line

(Sarcasm)
I am also convinced that if a person can get away with stuffing a loaded gun into the opposite palm (or sticking finger in barrel) just once, there is zero chance of having a catastrophic negligent discharge in the future.
Why?
Because every such catastrophic discharge is always, according to the dufus that shot himself, the one and only time he ever made such a mistake. He will claim to be the paragon of gun safety who never, ever made such a mistake.


By the way, the LEO that shot himself twice is David Counceller, former Connersville, IN, Police Chief. At the time, he was running for Fayette County Sheriff. Slogan: "Vote for me. I've shot myself twice, and I'm still around. I'm the man for the job."

The first time he shot himself was in the hand in 1999. He was, still, stuffing guns into his left palm with finger on the trigger, when he shot himself the second time.

 

[rhino]

The first time he shot himself was in the hand in 1999. He was, still, stuffing guns into his left palm with finger on the trigger, when he shot himself the second time.

That's a variety of stupid you can't fix. It's just a matter of time before he hurts or kills someone else.