Hearing Protection Act reintroduced

[BiscuitsandGravy]

I'm not wanting to start an argument about Senator Lugar, but these people get 'Lugar-itis' after being in office so long... Too many limos, too many state dinners, too many (insert here). They lose touch with the people who voted them into office. They morph into a creature of the 'swamp'. Lugar didn't even have a legit residence when he was primaried. Look how cozy he was with Barry & Co. 'F' NRA-GOA rating. Term limits is the only way to keep a real check but that is an impossible dream.

'Goons' is correct bwframe.

 

[seedubs1]

Good to see the Reblicans really getting things done. I'm done voting for them. They're no better than the Democrats that are so healthily despised on this forum.

Vote third party. The 2 party system is broken in the US and the only way to fix it is to vote for something new. At this point, if you vote 2 party, you have a choice between Democrat and RINO.

 

[JeremiahJohnson]

Oh, B&G, Don't even get me started on LUGAR! His vote - the only R mind you - against national reciprocity is why we don't already have national reciprocity. The ONLY R to vote against it. Worthless. UGH! I can't believe you brought up Lugar! Now I need a walk and more coffee.

 

[AmmoManAaron]

Just throwing this out there but this is the second time that something has happened to derail/delay the HPA. Add to that the fact that HRC and other lefties were quick to talk specifically about suppressors when they weren't an apparent factor in this case and one begins to notice an odor in the room.

Call me crazy if you want, but false flags aren't unheard of and I suspect that the crazies are desperate enough not to consider this "below them" after their many failed gun control attempts over the last couple decades.

You're not the only one thinking this. Hillary and the rest were VERY quick to attack suppressors. Consider the following:

1. Pulse Night Club Shooting (6/12/16)
Senate Gun vote (6/19/2016)


2. Ft. Lauderdale Airport Shooting (01/06/2017)
Bill is given to Florida subcommittees to allow for concealed carry in Florida airports (01/09/2017)


3. Congressional Baseball Shooting (6/14/2017)
Congressional hearing on different gun legislation and suppressors was postponed because of this (6/14/2017)


4. Las Vegas Concert Shooting (10/01/2017)
House hearing for suppressor bill shelved indefinitely (was possibly going to be brought to the House floor this week)


Once is nothing.
Twice is a coincidence.
Three times is a pattern.
Four times is...

 

[bwframe]

Good to see the Reblicans really getting things done. I'm done voting for them. They're no better than the Democrats that are so healthily despised on this forum.

Vote third party. The 2 party system is broken in the US and the only way to fix it is to vote for something new. At this point, if you vote 2 party, you have a choice between Democrat and RINO.

That's one of the reasons we have Donnelly. Otherwise smart folks were sucked into throwing away their votes to a third party that had no chance. The dems were successful at playing on emotion and here we are.

How many things would we NOT have to fuss about with 51 in the Senate?

 

[engineerpower]

If everyone who refused to vote 3rd party (because they felt it was throwing away their vote) actually voted 3rd party...

 

[bwframe]

If everyone who refused to vote 3rd party (because they felt it was throwing away their vote) actually voted 3rd party...

I'm right with you, when you make a third party candidate a contender.

Otherwise we get Donnelly. Happy now?

 

[seedubs1]

Have fun with your status quo. Your party runs the House, Senate, and POTUS chair. Yet nothing gets accomplished.....again. They have you tricked into blaming someone else. Blame your party. And if you don't like what they're doing and accomplishing.....vote third party and vote to ACTUALLY change something. It's illogical thinking and fear mongering that's keeping you from voting for what you truly want (a third party that actually represents you).

That's one of the reasons we have Donnelly. Otherwise smart folks were sucked into throwing away their votes to a third party that had no chance. The dems were successful at playing on emotion and here we are.

How many things would we NOT have to fuss about with 51 in the Senate?

 

[Leadeye]

I'd settle for just rearranging the NFA and get rid of the hughs amendment. Raise the NFA fees and get back to the way things were in the 70s.

 

[seedubs1]

Seriously. I agree with this. It's absolutely ludicrous that an M16 manufactured prior to 1986 is legal with a $200 tax stamp, but a 1987 manufactured m16 is illegal. All the law does is make automatic rifles accessible to only the rich. What a joke.

We've got Republican control of the House, Senate, and POTUS.....and nothing's getting done. This is the only chance we're going to get in our 2 party system. It's now or never. And the Republicans are doing nothing.

Time for an actual change. If nothing gets passed, I will never vote Republican again. I'll be voting third party. Democrats aren't any worse than our current Republican party.

I'd settle for just rearranging the NFA and get rid of the hughs amendment. Raise the NFA fees and get back to the way things were in the 70s.

 

[engineerpower]

Fun Fact: The Hughes Amendment actually FAILED on the vote for inclusion. Dirty ole Charlie Rangel snuck it in anyway, and it wasn't discovered before the main bill's vote.

[video=youtube;a6Mx2UcSEvQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Mx2UcSEvQ[/video]

 

[Leadeye]

I remember all the stir this caused because no one would pry it out of the legislation. Back in the 70s and early 80s NFA transfers were measured in weeks rather than years and there was a cottage industry bring back old and historical NFA items by re-manufacturing the receivers and putting a parts kit on. Gave people a chance to shoot guns like wood stock Lanchesters and MP-40s. There has to be a better way than where we are today.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Even people you might consider to be "good gun people" talk against full auto weapons. After what I've heard this week since LV, I doubt you'll ever see Hughes go away, much less any other measure that will make more autos available to law abiding people.

 

[Leadeye]

Back then one of the more important criteria to consider when buying an NFA item was the availability of magazines. Hard to believe that today.

 

[bwframe]

...

And there you go. This is what you won "for us" :

 

[Beowulf]

I'm right with you, when you make a third party candidate a contender.

Otherwise we get Donnelly. Happy now?

I'm going to go ahead and throw a huge BS flag on this statement.

We got Joe Donnelly, not because people voted for Andy Horning, but because Mourdock came across as a complete right-wing nutjob extremist who endorsed pregnancy from a rape as something God intended.

No amount of backpedaling he tried to do later would wash the stink of that comment off of him. He was leading by 10 points (if I recall) before that debate and it wasn't the eloquence of Andy Horning's arguments that lost him that lead.

No... the reason we have Joe Donnelly is that the Indiana GOP selected a terrible candidate like Mourdouck to represent them. They thought they had that seat so locked up that they didn't even try to have a candidate that could appeal to all of Indiana's voters, instead finding a guy that veered so hard to the right that he made Francisco Franco look like Ralph Nader or Bernie Sanders.

Hubris. The same hubris that let Trump defeat Hillary Clinton is what cost the GOP Donnelly's seat. Hell, they could have run a CPR dummy in Donnelly's place and it would have still beaten Mourdock (and let's be honest, if the Democrats had run a CPR dummy instead of Hillary, they might have won the Presidency this last go round... at least a CPR dummy that didn't have the huge mountain of negative feeling that Hillary did).

Mourdock beat himself.

 

[mcapo]

I'm going to go ahead and throw a huge BS flag on this statement.

We got Joe Donnelly, not because people voted for Andy Horning, but because Mourdock came across as a complete right-wing nutjob extremist who endorsed pregnancy from a rape as something God intended.

No amount of backpedaling he tried to do later would wash the stink of that comment off of him. He was leading by 10 points (if I recall) before that debate and it wasn't the eloquence of Andy Horning's arguments that lost him that lead.

No... the reason we have Joe Donnelly is that the Indiana GOP selected a terrible candidate like Mourdouck to represent them. They thought they had that seat so locked up that they didn't even try to have a candidate that could appeal to all of Indiana's voters, instead finding a guy that veered so hard to the right that he made Francisco Franco look like Ralph Nader or Bernie Sanders.

Hubris. The same hubris that let Trump defeat Hillary Clinton is what cost the GOP Donnelly's seat. Hell, they could have run a CPR dummy in Donnelly's place and it would have still beaten Mourdock (and let's be honest, if the Democrats had run a CPR dummy instead of Hillary, they might have won the Presidency this last go round... at least a CPR dummy that didn't have the huge mountain of negative feeling that Hillary did).

Mourdock beat himself.

Ding Ding Ding. You got that right!

 

[seedubs1]

...yup

the Republican Party only has itself to blame. It's either right wing complete nut jobs or do nothing RINOs. I'm don't with them.

Ding Ding Ding. You got that right!

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

And there you go. This is what you won "for us" :

Different race, I know but if the LP would have put up Austin Petersen instead of "Bake-the-Cake"-the-tyrant-Johnson, they may have seen their numbers actually reflect the public's disgust with the democrat's and the republican's one statist solutions.

Horning was an empty suit. I remember him checking in here several times and I asked him sincere questions, looking for a real alternative...but got nothing. He's pretty good at pontificating on what the Ds and the Rs do wrong in his opinion but he had nothing but a 'no' vote to offer.

 

[Thor]

That we have NY Joe as a politician in our state at all can be argued as a result of the LP in the 2nd Cong. Dist. Joe D knew he had the loyal D votes so he ended the contest by having his campaign staff work for the Libertarian candidate. Door to door, fliers, targeting R voters to pull as many votes away as possible. He refused to debate unless the L was on stage too. Walorski made no gaffs, isn't a RW 'nut job' and lost by the L margin; she has since won the district handily. NY Joe is a crafty one, keep an eye on what he does in the next campaign.