Indiana's proposed law for curriculum oversight

[Timjoebillybob]

Not seeing a problem after reading the article and your post.

Like I said I can see the reason for consent being required, I can also on this point sorta agree with the teachers I've talked with. If there can't be some sort of middle ground, and I'll admit I have no idea what that would be or how it would work. I go with consent required.

 

[wtburnette]

All I know is that the system as it is, is broken. This bill is meant to rectify that and seems to do a pretty good job. Is it perfect? Likely not. Will it go a long way to curbing the absolute progressive insanity being pushed by IN schools? Almost certainly. Will it cause problems in unforeseen ways? Probably. If so, we need to address that when those issues are discovered. Unfortunately we absolutely cannot let things continue the way they are as we're damaging future generations with the absolute garbage being pushed in our schools.

 

[bwframe]

Brown County Schools: Letter was 'erroneously advising' Black History Month opt out

The Brown County superintendent sent out an update after saying Wednesday that the district was investigating the letter.

www.indystar.com

 

[wtburnette]

That is another example of why this bill needs to happen.

He touted the benefits of understanding diversity such as “improved grades, better peer relationships, and greater career success later on,” but ended the letter by saying parents have the choice to opt their child out of the lessons by signing a form below the letter and giving it to their teacher.

That is complete BS. There are no studies showing this because it's not true. Diversity is a scam. Diversity of thought, background and experience is what's important, not someone's gender or skin color. Even if someone looks just like you, they will have different experiences and opinions, which is real diversity. Skin color and gender mean nothing at all in that equation, except to Progressives who thinks that everyone who has the same skin color or who pees sitting down should think the same exact way.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

All I know is that the system as it is, is broken. This bill is meant to rectify that and seems to do a pretty good job. Is it perfect? Likely not. Will it go a long way to curbing the absolute progressive insanity being pushed by IN schools? Almost certainly. Will it cause problems in unforeseen ways? Probably. If so, we need to address that when those issues are discovered. Unfortunately we absolutely cannot let things continue the way they are as we're damaging future generations with the absolute garbage being pushed in our schools.

I agree, I am for this bill. As you should be able to tell from reading this thread.

 

[bwframe]

 

[Dentoro]

This is about transparency and accountability all good school systems need both. Nobody likes being under a microscope and I’m sure some teachers don’t like it just like I’m sure police officers initially opposed body cameras. I wonder how all the teachers and their union would feel if cops no longer had to wear body cams? Would they be willing to take the officers word for it? Kinda like when teachers say “we are not teaching CRT” while at the same time firing an award winning administrator for telling that they do actually teach it just not how you think. Sorry not willing to take the teachers at their word since they have already been caught.

There is no redress of grievance, when you can disagree with Curriculum and be reported as a terrorist to the FBI that is a problem! I said I know why. I’m not arguing against it, however the law as written does suck AND will drive out many good teachers. There is no one left who go to college for 4 years that will teach kids for a starting salary of $30000/year. Teachers are already more responsible for kids than most of their parents. I have to more careful with the firearm I carry than parents with kids now! This law as written will drive out many teachers who care.

 

[Dentoro]

Please point out what in this bill will drive out all the good teachers.

If lesson plans are included in the bill, and they change and are written six weeks out for the nine weeks and your kid doesn't get the lesson and a teacher reteaches the lesson the next day the whole nine weeks have to be updated that day. Or they can go on without that kid knowing the lesson. There is a big difference between mapping curriculum and lesson plans. Parents should have a say in.. and know curriculum, not daily planning. As written teachers can not form or have a working relationship with students. This is 90 percent of the job with some ED kids.. gaining trust so you can try to get them achieve. If you say, ”Keep working hard so you get your diploma and make a better life for yourself“ you have breached the law and can be fired for coaching. So imagine what happens when the kid comes in saying mom and boyfriend fought over the drugs and knock the baby out out the swing ad she cried the rest of the night so I didn’t get any sleep and it was cold because we don’t have power. I came to school to get warm and eat But I’m worried about my sister. And the student talks about it for an hour to calm down. Yes the teacher will take two hours after school not paid to report it for the 100th time, cps will show up a month later. But without that chance to vomit on a Real adult in their lives and some one who says get your diploma so you can leave that behind, there is just another report, and another report to update 9 weeks of lesson plans.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

If lesson plans are included in the bill, and they change and are written six weeks out for the nine weeks and your kid doesn't get the lesson and a teacher reteaches the lesson the next day the whole nine weeks have to be updated that day. Or they can go on without that kid knowing the lesson. There is a big difference between mapping curriculum and lesson plans. Parents should have a say in.. and know curriculum, not daily planning.

Lesson plans are not in this bill, I don't know where you or the others who say that are getting it. Syllabus has to be posted.

As written teachers can not form or have a working relationship with students. This is 90
percent of the job with some ED kids.. gaining trust so you can try to get them achieve. If you say, ”Keep working hard so you get your diploma and make a better life for yourself“ you have breached the law and can be fired for coaching.

See above, nothing like that in the bill.

So imagine what happens when the kid comes in saying mom and boyfriend fought over the drugs and knock the baby out out the swing ad she cried the rest of the night so I didn’t get any sleep and it was cold because we don’t have power. I came to school to get warm and eat But I’m worried about my sister. And the student talks about it for an hour to calm down. Yes the teacher will take two hours after school not paid to report it for the 100th time, cps will show up a month later. But without that chance to vomit on a Real adult in their lives and some one who says get your diploma so you can leave that behind, there is just another report, and another report to update 9 weeks of lesson plans.

Does listening to someone vent equal counseling? As I stated above, I think this maybe the only valid complaint I've heard about this bill. And it is literally the one I've heard the least.

As I stated above, I have no clue on what a middle ground would be or how it would work. But how do you allow the scenario you posted but curb the excesses such as I posted?

Another Florida School Board Sued over Concealing Gender Identity Counseling from Parents

The Clay County School Board is being sued by parents that allege school officials hid their 12-year-old daughter’s mental health and gender identity issues for months – only informing them after the child attempted suicide in the school bathroom on two separate occasions. Clay County is located...

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[Leadeye]

The difficulty I have with the current system is that when you vote for the local school board the media tell you nothing about the candidates, even if you ask. You get where they went to school and what thier previous employment was, but they could be crazy socialists and you just don't know. Other than choice of school board, the public doesn't have any input on how teachers teach or administrations run things so keeping in mind that the education system runs on taxes there needs to be more accountability to the people.

 

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[Ark]

Final bill after amendments: Men can play in women's sports all they want as long as they wear an interim uniform.

 

[BugI02]

Apparently even a rusty weathervane will turn if the wind is strong enough

 

[JettaKnight]

If Holcomb's not careful, he might win back some uber-conservatives.

 

[drillsgt]

If Holcomb's not careful, he might win back some uber-conservatives.

I don't think he's going to be winning conservatives back but that doesn't mean he can't do the right thing.

 

[bwframe]

I don't think he's going to be winning conservatives back but that doesn't mean he can't do the right thing.

The talk is that Holcomb looks to run for Senator after he further screws us for the rest of his governor term. He has to feign some conservatism leading into that.

I sure hope we get the oportunity to get a good laugh out of primarying this POS.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

It appears that a senate committee gutted another bill. Although perhaps not quite as bad as 1077.

http://iga.in.gov/legislative/2022/bills/house/1134#document-8e801002

 

[bwframe]

Indiana Senate kills CRT-inspired legislation that created outrage among educators, Black Hoosiers

The Indiana Senate killed controversial House Bill 1134 Wednesday night after several hours of closed-door discussions in the Republican caucus.

www.indystar.com

 

[bwframe]

Looks as if this is a teachers union "win." The same teachers that teach our kids....

Controversial CRT-inspired school bill dies in Senate

GOP leaders said they were considering putting some of House Bill 1134's language into another bill, giving it a chance to still pass this session.

www.wthr.com

Ind. lawmakers deny advancement of House Bill 1134

House Bill 1134 would have restricted what educators could say in the classroom about race, gender, ethnicity and religion.

www.14news.com

 

[jwamplerusa]

Someone want to remind me why we are supposed to vote for these POS?

What has the Republican majority accomplished in this session that warrants returning more than a handful of them back to office?