I'm sure it's structured such that the third-year tag never gets tendered, because it ought to be cost-prohibitive.
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Colts 2023 A Time To Change
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From my armchair general manager position, I'm thinking a trade would be good for the Colts. JT is the real deal when healthy. I'd think another team might offer something of significance to acquire him. Since Irsay is on record with an emphatic "No Trade!", I'm guessing he won't be traded.
Nobody is offering anything of significance for running backs right now. That's a big part of the problem - combined with the running backs not understanding/accepting their current market value.
ChristianPatriot
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And next year’s RB free agency class is stacked with big names.
Now, arguably, Taylor may be the best player on that list but still. A ton of options for teams.
I’m hoping that this ends up being the way-more-dramatic version of last year with Kenny Moore. He wasn’t happy with his contract and made it known. Ended up all kind’ve blowing over and Kenny seems happier now and doing well in camp.
ChristianPatriot
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Sheeeeesh
Wow, just looked it up and it is quite a group. This list does not account for the likelihood Elliot and Cook end up with one year deals are are also on the list.
Running Backs
Next year’s running back class is absolutely loaded with stars of today. The question is how valued these individuals will be as they near 30 years old.1) Josh Jacobs
2) Jonathan Taylor
3) Saquon Barkley
4) Derrick Henry
5) Tony Pollard
6) Austin Ekeler
7) J.K. Dobbins
8) D’Andre Swift
9) D’Onta Foreman
10) A.J. Dillon
2024 NFL Free Agents by Position: Kirk Cousins, Derrick Henry, and Mike Evans Headline Top Options
Who are the top 2024 NFL free agents available at each position? Kirk Cousins, Derrick Henry, and Mike Evans are among the best players hitting the market.
www.profootballnetwork.com
Anthony Richardson returns to practice
When the Colts announced on Monday that Anthony Richardson would miss the day's practice after undergoing nasal surgery, the club noted that Richardson was expected to return to the field on Tuesday.
www.nbcsports.com
“Indy could do what the Texans did last year with Deshaun Watson. Set a minimum expectation for compensation, secure an agreement from one or more teams that they’ll satisfy the Colts’ expectations, and allow Taylor to see who will pay him what he’s looking for.”
“The problem could be that there’s no one that would do it. No one that would give the Colts the compensation they’d seek. No one that would pay Taylor what he wants.”
“Sure, if the Colts were simply trading Taylor’s current contract, they’d find someone to pounce on one year at $4.3 million and the ability to apply the franchise tag one or twice. But that’s surely not the solution Taylor is looking for.”
“He doesn’t want different. He wants more. And, frankly, it’s too late in the offseason to get anyone to give Taylor a massive deal. Cash has been spent. Cap space has been used. As mentioned on Monday, Taylor should have brought this issue to a head months ago, when teams could have: (1) noticed his potential availability; and (2) done something about it.”
“Thus, Taylor is already in checkmate — barely after the game began. What is he going to do? Sit out the 2023 season? Then what? Demand a trade in March? Who will pay him what he wants then, after he has played a total of 11 games in two seasons?”
“The problem continues to be the system, coupled with the Colts’ historic willingness to take full advantage of it. They drafted Marshall Faulk in 1994, and they traded him before ever having to give him a second contract. They drafted Edgerrin James to replace Faulk in 1999, and they let him leave via free agency before ever having to give him a second contract. (They replaced James with Joseph Addai, and they won a Super Bowl in Addai’s rookie year.) Now, they’ve drafted Taylor with the apparent intention of: (1) using him for four years; (2) tagging him once or twice; (3) letting him walk; and (4) drafting another running back to replace him.”
www.nbcsports.com
“The problem could be that there’s no one that would do it. No one that would give the Colts the compensation they’d seek. No one that would pay Taylor what he wants.”
“Sure, if the Colts were simply trading Taylor’s current contract, they’d find someone to pounce on one year at $4.3 million and the ability to apply the franchise tag one or twice. But that’s surely not the solution Taylor is looking for.”
“He doesn’t want different. He wants more. And, frankly, it’s too late in the offseason to get anyone to give Taylor a massive deal. Cash has been spent. Cap space has been used. As mentioned on Monday, Taylor should have brought this issue to a head months ago, when teams could have: (1) noticed his potential availability; and (2) done something about it.”
“Thus, Taylor is already in checkmate — barely after the game began. What is he going to do? Sit out the 2023 season? Then what? Demand a trade in March? Who will pay him what he wants then, after he has played a total of 11 games in two seasons?”
“The problem continues to be the system, coupled with the Colts’ historic willingness to take full advantage of it. They drafted Marshall Faulk in 1994, and they traded him before ever having to give him a second contract. They drafted Edgerrin James to replace Faulk in 1999, and they let him leave via free agency before ever having to give him a second contract. (They replaced James with Joseph Addai, and they won a Super Bowl in Addai’s rookie year.) Now, they’ve drafted Taylor with the apparent intention of: (1) using him for four years; (2) tagging him once or twice; (3) letting him walk; and (4) drafting another running back to replace him.”
Which teams would trade for — and pay — Jonathan Taylor?
Taylor might already be in checkmate, not long after the game began.
www.nbcsports.com
Colts sign RB Toriano Clinton
The Colts have added a running back to their depleted depth chart.
www.nbcsports.com
ChristianPatriot
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I love how this is being characterized as a Colts problem. Literally 99% of the league has operated the same way for the past 5-10 years.
And Mike Shannahan began the low cost running back by committee to win the Elway SB’s long ago.
Could this be why JT and his agent started this crap now, they know the market is going to get tougher?Wow, just looked it up and it is quite a group. This list does not account for the likelihood Elliot and Cook end up with one year deals are are also on the list.
Running Backs
Next year’s running back class is absolutely loaded with stars of today. The question is how valued these individuals will be as they near 30 years old.
1) Josh Jacobs
2) Jonathan Taylor
3) Saquon Barkley
4) Derrick Henry
5) Tony Pollard
6) Austin Ekeler
7) J.K. Dobbins
8) D’Andre Swift
9) D’Onta Foreman
10) A.J. Dillon
2024 NFL Free Agents by Position: Kirk Cousins, Derrick Henry, and Mike Evans Headline Top Options
Who are the top 2024 NFL free agents available at each position? Kirk Cousins, Derrick Henry, and Mike Evans are among the best players hitting the market.
Likely just a camp body. Flyer on a local kid.Colts sign RB Toriano Clinton
The Colts have added a running back to their depleted depth chart.
Taylor isn't sitting out 2023. That's a non-starter.“Indy could do what the Texans did last year with Deshaun Watson. Set a minimum expectation for compensation, secure an agreement from one or more teams that they’ll satisfy the Colts’ expectations, and allow Taylor to see who will pay him what he’s looking for.”
“The problem could be that there’s no one that would do it. No one that would give the Colts the compensation they’d seek. No one that would pay Taylor what he wants.”
“Sure, if the Colts were simply trading Taylor’s current contract, they’d find someone to pounce on one year at $4.3 million and the ability to apply the franchise tag one or twice. But that’s surely not the solution Taylor is looking for.”
“He doesn’t want different. He wants more. And, frankly, it’s too late in the offseason to get anyone to give Taylor a massive deal. Cash has been spent. Cap space has been used. As mentioned on Monday, Taylor should have brought this issue to a head months ago, when teams could have: (1) noticed his potential availability; and (2) done something about it.”
“Thus, Taylor is already in checkmate — barely after the game began. What is he going to do? Sit out the 2023 season? Then what? Demand a trade in March? Who will pay him what he wants then, after he has played a total of 11 games in two seasons?”
“The problem continues to be the system, coupled with the Colts’ historic willingness to take full advantage of it. They drafted Marshall Faulk in 1994, and they traded him before ever having to give him a second contract. They drafted Edgerrin James to replace Faulk in 1999, and they let him leave via free agency before ever having to give him a second contract. (They replaced James with Joseph Addai, and they won a Super Bowl in Addai’s rookie year.) Now, they’ve drafted Taylor with the apparent intention of: (1) using him for four years; (2) tagging him once or twice; (3) letting him walk; and (4) drafting another running back to replace him.”
Which teams would trade for — and pay — Jonathan Taylor?
Taylor might already be in checkmate, not long after the game began.
The Colts aren't going to pay him what he's reportedly demanding.
No team in the league is going to pay him what he's reportedly demanding.
The Colts know that they own Taylor for no less compensation than two first-round picks as soon as Taylor's current contract runs out after this season.
No team in the league is going to come anywhere near that sort of compensation in a trade in 2023.
The Colts have enough cap space to let this play out however Taylor wants in 2023. He can play. He can hold out. He can feign injury (a bluff the Colts are already calling, with the NFI threat).
I still contend that Taylor's best chance at anything approaching the payday he wants will be with the Colts, by returning to pro-bowl/MVP form in 2023. All the other teams see the 2024 running back free agent class AND the 2024 running back draft class, and none will overpay for a veteran running back. That means that no team is likely to bite on the non-exclusive franchise tag compensation (two first-round draft picks).
The Colts agreed to the CBA, through the owners - just like the running backs did, through the NFLPA.
To blame either the Colts or Irsay for this situation is rather ignorant.
thunderchicken
Grandmaster
Well if the O line performs anything like the last couple years then AR's size could be a benefit to him.
ChristianPatriot
Grandmaster
Training camp hype across the league is always hilarious this time of year.
“How was this player still available in the 4th round!?”
“Watch this rookie run this route vs nobody, he looks incredible!”
“(Fill in the blank organization) are really excited about x player. He’s been an absolute stud in training camp.”
“How was this player still available in the 4th round!?”
“Watch this rookie run this route vs nobody, he looks incredible!”
“(Fill in the blank organization) are really excited about x player. He’s been an absolute stud in training camp.”
[Swag Kelly and Sam Ehlinger have entered the chat.]
Thought this was interesting. Did not remember controversy concerning Luck’s choice of surgeon but it makes sense.
Jonathan Taylor joins Andrew Luck, Victor Oladipo as star athletes receiving bad advice
What happened to Colts RB Jonathan Taylor? Start here: His new agent, Malki Kawa, is the smartest guy in the room – but only if he’s in there alone.
www.usatoday.com
This guy, Gregg Doyel also think players should be forced to take an experimental vaccine. So **** him.Thought this was interesting. Did not remember controversy concerning Luck’s choice of surgeon but it makes sense.
Jonathan Taylor joins Andrew Luck, Victor Oladipo as star athletes receiving bad advice
What happened to Colts RB Jonathan Taylor? Start here: His new agent, Malki Kawa, is the smartest guy in the room – but only if he’s in there alone.www.usatoday.com
Doyel: What did you think would happen, Carson Wentz? You're too special to get the vaccine?
They were right in Philadelphia. Carson Wentz is selfish and a bad teammate, and he's not alone in the Colts' locker room.
www.usatoday.com
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