It is a good rifle. It's just not a look down your nose at others while you hold it rifle.Better rifle? I`ve read very good things about the Saint Victor 5.56
These budget optics are becoming combat proven in Ukraine
Although budget optics offer a significant discount from their premium competitors, they lack a combat track record...until now.www.wearethemighty.com
Holosun vs Aimpoint - Which is better?
Time to decide on your first reflex sight? In this blog, we compare the immensely popular brands Holosun vs Aimpoint and some of their best selling optics.www.80percentarms.com
IS HOLOSUN A DUTY GRADE?
"Yes, we’ve seen plenty of law enforcement officers with their duty guns equipped with a variety of Holosun pistol optics. Since 2021, the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department has approved Holosun 407/507/508/509 use. This is significant because LASD policies act as sort of a trendsetter for many other departments across the country.
With the massive amount of video footage that has come in from the Ukraine War, we've seen many Holosuns used in the conflict. While we don't have any specific data sets, tests, or studies for you to review - now that Ukrainian troops have been fielding these optics for over a year now it's pretty safe to say that many Holosun optics are now considered "battle-tested."
Not at all, not even close. It`s about durability, functionality, and function. I need and want something suitable for CQC purposes as well as midrange use, but it`s always about quality, and durability as well. If the Vortex Crossfire isn`t durable, then it`s a waste.
Meh. They work. Have never had an issue with mine. If they don't, I flip up the backup irons. It ain't that deep. Lots of high speed operators with top notch equipment in the ground because of half-literate goat humpers with Mosins and AKs held together with duct tape.Ukraine is using whatever they can get their hands on. The Taliban using them in Afghanistan make them "battle-tested"?
A sheriff department allowing personnel purchase to use on a duty gun is a long way from the actual department purchasing them for upper tier units. That may change, California is embracing china in a big way lately.
If you're happy with your chicom made guns, scopes, red dots then good for you. Some of us don't.
But, there are way more of one dead, than the other. Way more.Meh. They work. Have never had an issue with mine. If they don't, I flip up the backup irons. It ain't that deep. Lots of high speed operators with top notch equipment in the ground because of half-literate goat humpers with Mosins and AKs held together with duct tape.
If you're talking red dots I think up to 500.00 is plenty and more than that probably a waste of money. You can get Aimpoint Pro's for under 500.00 and the ACO's are on sale for 350.00. The new RDS is right at 499.00 MSRP as well. I have three PRO's currently that have been great and I just got an RDS to put on the B&T SBR but don't have a lot of experience with that yet. I've seen the CompM3's/PRO's take a lot of abuse so i'm very comfortable using those, we would get those for issuing to trainees basically in a metal drum just thrown in and they would get used and abused every cycle. We use M5's now but I don't see them as really that superior, more convenient battery though.I wouldn't go into CQC on a $500 budget, but that's me.
You sound like you're asking for a serious use unmagnified optic. Aimpoint and Eotech are really the only players in that game. It really isn't that big of a spend in the grand scheme of things, even on a very modest budget. I'd be looking at a T2, compM4, or compM5.
If your goal is to shoot on the range and what-if a home invasion, then holosun will do well. The issue with holosun is one of manufacturing consistency, which is going to be the issue with anything in that price range. It costs a lot of money to make a perfect product every single time. You can save a lot of money by rolling the dice on QC and relying on warranties. It's just a question of if that use case is serious enough that a warranty isn't reassuring.
No, I like Eotechs a lot. I don't like their battery life though. I have went with one battery change a year aimpoints on all of my serious rifles that don't have LPVO's.Looks like I am the odd man out. I prefer the Eotech with a magnifier. I am quicker with the red dot and if have to engage beyond 200yds I will have time to slap the magnifier down.
Not exactly what I would recommend for a CQC rifle.I would suggest talking to https://aaoptics.com/
However, I have been impressed with Vortex
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You think that is all attributable to small arms sighting systems?But, there are way more of one dead, than the other. Way more.
In 20 years,
During the War in Afghanistan, according to the Costs of War Project the war killed 176,000 people in Afghanistan: 46,319 civilians, 69,095 military and police and at least 52,893 opposition fighters.
Did I say that? Nope I didn't.You think that is all attributable to small arms sighting systems?
I'll take either irons or a 4X ACOG before all of that out to at least 650.Looks like I am the odd man out. I prefer the Eotech with a magnifier. I am quicker with the red dot and if have to engage beyond 200yds I will have time to slap the magnifier down.
Then what's your point?Did I say that? Nope I didn't.
My point is, Gross tonnage always Wins.Then what's your point?
ACOG is a great optic IMO I have seen them get hits in real life.I'll take either irons or a 4X ACOG before all of that out to at least 650.
If it has a battery, it needs to be in a flashlight.
Not long ago, I purchased a Springfield Armory Saint Victor. Springfield was having a promotion at that time, and I also received a free Vortex Crossfire red dot optic. I`ve read reviews on that optic, and like I suspected, there are good as well as bad reviews. For an optic that has an MSRP of between $100 and $150, depending on where you look, the reviews are about what I expected to see. Apparently Vortex has an outstanding warranty and customer service.
I have wondered though if I might not want to sell or trade this and get a different optic for my AR. I have been considering an Aimpoint PRO if I were to go with a tube red dot, or, I have been seriously considering a holographic red dot of some sort because I feel that that type sight would have much faster target acquisition capabilities in CQC situations.
So, I`m just wondering what any of you might do in this same situation. Would you keep and mount the Vortex Crossfire, and trust that that quality of a sight would hold up and be sufficient? Would you pull the trigger on the Aimpoint PRO? Would you get one of the holographic red dots instead, and if so, what would be your holographic red dot of choice? Unfortunately, it will be a stretch for me to go to $500 for a rifle sight, but that would be my high end.
I get it, I have a EOTECH also, It seems its always a battery problem since I bought it. Just the thought of having a battery problem when I need it just keeps me from using one. It sits in a safe with none of us three ever using it.ACOG is a great optic IMO I have seen them get hits in real life.
Not being a jarhead we limit ourself’s at 300M in order to be relevant. DM’s and Machine Guns do the long stuff.
BTW my PLT was assigned to the 1st MEF during the invasion of Iraq I am authorized to wear the 1st Marine combat patch.
Same as the Army units that fought in WW2 assigned to the Marines.
I think it’s a honor.
I am right handed and left eye dominant so the EOTECH works the best for me.