don't get the wrong idea with that post, all I meant by it was I think LEOs have a duty, to a degree, that when they make a traffic stop and openly see a gun, they should at least check to see if the person should be legally allowed to have it. If the person getting pulled over was getting defiant similar to how Joe was implying (or at least I was getting that impression, that he would be somewhat defiant) that something was fishy.