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  • EvilBlackGun

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    Just when we thought that it could not get worse:
    "[A recent hearing sponsored by the Treasury and Labor Departments marked the beginning of the Obama Administration’s effort to nationalize the nation’s pension system and to eliminate private accounts including IRA’s and 401k plans.
    The hearing was monitored by NSC staff and featured a line up of left-wing activists including one representative of the AFL-CIO who advocated for more government regulation over private retirement accounts and even the establishment of government-sponsored annuities that would take the place of 401k plans.
    "This hearing was set up to explore why Americans are not saving as much for their retirement as they could," explains National Seniors Council National Director Robert Crone, "However, it is clear that this is the first step towards a government takeover. It feels just like the beginning of the debate over health care and we all know how that is ending up."
    A representative of the liberal Pension Rights Center, Rebecca Davis, testified that the government needs to get involved because 401k plans and IRAs are unfair to poor people, and demanded the Obama administration set up a "government-sponsored program administered by the PBGC (Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation)." She proclaimed that even "private annuities are problematic."
    Such "reforms" would effectively end Individual Retirement Accounts in America. Too many people want the government to require that ultimately all Americans buy government annuities instead of saving or investing on their own. The Government could then take these trillions of dollars and redistribute it through this new national retirement system." ]"
     

    rugertoter

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    Just when we thought that it could not get worse:
    "[A recent hearing sponsored by the Treasury and Labor Departments marked the beginning of the Obama Administration’s effort to nationalize the nation’s pension system and to eliminate private accounts including IRA’s and 401k plans.
    The hearing was monitored by NSC staff and featured a line up of left-wing activists including one representative of the AFL-CIO who advocated for more government regulation over private retirement accounts and even the establishment of government-sponsored annuities that would take the place of 401k plans.
    "This hearing was set up to explore why Americans are not saving as much for their retirement as they could," explains National Seniors Council National Director Robert Crone, "However, it is clear that this is the first step towards a government takeover. It feels just like the beginning of the debate over health care and we all know how that is ending up."
    A representative of the liberal Pension Rights Center, Rebecca Davis, testified that the government needs to get involved because 401k plans and IRAs are unfair to poor people, and demanded the Obama administration set up a "government-sponsored program administered by the PBGC (Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation)." She proclaimed that even "private annuities are problematic."
    Such "reforms" would effectively end Individual Retirement Accounts in America. Too many people want the government to require that ultimately all Americans buy government annuities instead of saving or investing on their own. The Government could then take these trillions of dollars and redistribute it through this new national retirement system." ]"
    Well, if there are any people on this site that voted for these gangsters, I hope they read this. At least I can say these clowns did not get my vote, and for that matter never will.
     

    Expat

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    Well, if there are any people on this site that voted for these gangsters, I hope they read this. At least I can say these clowns did not get my vote, and for that matter never will.

    It may not bother them. They may like the idea of taking your retirement money so that they can live better themselves.
     

    mrjarrell

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    Interesting. This comes from the National Seniors Council and was "Originally posted 10/13/10)". Not sure how this is new to us or anything to get up in arms over, at this point. Obama and the dems, along with a few reps would no doubt like to see this pass, but it's highly unlikely to ever go anywhere. The courts would not stand for it. Let's stick to current battles, not fight rumours from the past.

    See this link to the story:
    Obama Begins Push for New National Retirement System..401K at risk?

    Leads you here.
    Obama Begins Push for New National Retirement System
     

    GodFearinGunTotin

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    Interesting. This comes from the National Seniors Council and was "Originally posted 10/13/10)". Not sure how this is new to us or anything to get up in arms over, at this point. Obama and the dems, along with a few reps would no doubt like to see this pass, but it's highly unlikely to ever go anywhere. The courts would not stand for it. Let's stick to current battles, not fight rumours from the past.

    See this link to the story:
    Obama Begins Push for New National Retirement System..401K at risk?

    Leads you here.
    Obama Begins Push for New National Retirement System

    Which court(s) wouldn't stand for a tax or some other legislative smoke and mirrors that forces citizens to participate in a government healt car.....um , make that retirement system? That precedent has already been set. Anything congress can do is either covered by the commerce clause or its ability to tax. It won't happen tomorrow. But this is how it starts. And when the .gov recipients see the well start to run dry, there will be nothing off limits.
     

    HavokCycle

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    they say the next currency wont be in gold, itll be lead.
    sure that can easily be taken as nutjob prepper crap, but id be interested to know the stats and inflation on ammuntion in the last few years. .223 is now goin for almost 2x what it did last year. almost $500 per case now, where in 2011 it was about 275.
    so, its obvious the price has gone up, now the question is, are we being gouged somewhere along the way? or has the value of ammunition gone up?
     

    TRWXXA

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    Which court(s) wouldn't stand for a tax or some other legislative smoke and mirrors that forces citizens to participate in a government healt car.....um , make that retirement system?
    +1

    Will it be the Supreme Court of the Unites States that has 4 Obamatard appointments on it that stands up against federalizing retirement funds?
     

    lucky4034

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    The sooner this economy crashes the better. I'd rather it crash now so I can tend after my family why I am still alive. The last thing I want is for it to crash when I am 70years old and can't do anything to help.
     
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    I thought the social security ponzi scheme was the "national retirement" fund/account/whatever ??

    Oh.. wait.. they've bled that dry so it's time to move onto something else. Got it !
     

    printcraft

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    I thought the social security ponzi scheme was the "national retirement" fund/account/whatever ??

    Oh.. wait.. they've bled that dry so it's time to move onto something else. Got it !


    This ...... /\

    WTH!?

    SS was supposed to be a SMALL compliment to your own retirement plan.
     

    PistolBob

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    So here's the deal...lets say you owe $70K on your home. Your 401K has 160K in it. Your adjusted income this year is 60K.

    You need 70K to pay off the homestead.

    If you take out 110K you will pay $11K in penalty, and $26,000 +/- in federal taxes, and about $4K in state income taxes. PLUS that 60K adjusted income at 15% federal tax is now taxable at 25% so there goes another $6K...so out of your 110K you have $63K to throw on your house and you're left with 50K in the 401K.

    Is it worth it? Can you income average the 401K withdraw to dampen the tax blow?

    The benefit to this I see is your home is paid for except for the perpetual property taxes...when the stock market crumbles again, your 401K might be worth even less, but you will still have a paid off home.

    If the feds decide to get your assets, they'll make sure they can do it.
     
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    So here's the deal...lets say you owe $70K on your home. Your 401K has 160K in it. Your adjusted income this year is 60K.

    You need 70K to pay off the homestead.

    If you take out 110K you will pay $11K in penalty, and $26,000 +/- in federal taxes, and about $4K in state income taxes. PLUS that 60K adjusted income at 15% federal tax is now taxable at 25% so there goes another $6K...so out of your 110K you have $63K to throw on your house and you're left with 50K in the 401K.

    Is it worth it? Can you income average the 401K withdraw to dampen the tax blow?

    The benefit to this I see is your home is paid for except for the perpetual property taxes...when the stock market crumbles again, your 401K might be worth even less, but you will still have a paid off home.

    If the feds decide to get your assets, they'll make sure they can do it.

    Unless the interest paid on the mortgage over a period of time is more than all the taxes and fees. If the interest on the mortgage over, say, 10 or 15 years is less than all the taxes paid immediately, AND the reduced growth from the reduced principle, then it doesn't make sense to pull it out and pay off the house. (Although, you could then put the money you were paying towards the mortgage and pay it back into your 401(k) as long as you haven't maxed out coutributions for the year)

    All things to consider...
     

    VN Vet

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    It does not surprise me what the Socialist Party is doing to Our Country. But We the People voted them in, so we're getting what we asked for.
     

    HavokCycle

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    no, we didnt vote them in. romney said it best, months ago with the 47% remark, and then recently with the comment how obama bought the election with his -gifts-
    sure, there was RAMPANT voter fraud, and.. erm.. whats the word.. electioneering? and that percentage probably cost GOP the election. but it shouldnt have been close enough so that crap would have mattered in the first place.
     

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