400 Yard 1911......Whatcha think?

[fireball168]

Apparently lots of folks around here haven't read much by Elmer Keith.

 

[Tamara]

Apparently lots of folks around here haven't read much by Elmer Keith.

All his books, and done a fair amount of long-range handgun shooting at distant targets myself; I think it's about the most fun one can have with a pistol.

There's a big difference between busting dirt clods for recreation and making and making reliably accurate long range shots on dirt clods that shoot back. (To say nothing of the trajectory differences between an 800fps round and one moving half again as fast or better...)

 

[Hookeye]

Elmer Keiths 600 yard shot

 

[jeremy]

Apparently lots of folks around here haven't read much by Elmer Keith.

So what...

I know of him, I even know of most of his book titles. He is not in an area that interests my needs of knowledge so I have not read him...

 

[Spot Me 2]

It also claims 650y with "instruction".

Yep, the "instruction" is to get in your truck, drive the first 600+ yards, and then take then shot!!!

 

[JBI812]

I saw a shot like that in a cowboy movie. The guy shot a horse rider about about that distance and got-em. I think it must have been a Colt 44 with 5 1/2" barrel.

 

[Hookeye]

Some folks ought to go to an IHMSA big bore match and watch how some of the better shooters work over the rams at 200 m

 

[handgun]

well for 5k that will not be on my list of guns to buy anytime soon!

 

[Tamara]

Some folks ought to go to an IHMSA big bore match and watch how some of the better shooters work over the rams at 200 m

1) Yeah, 'cause a steel ram at 200m and a jihadi with a DShK at 650 yards are EXACTLY the same thing.

2) When I look at my T/C Encore and my 1911s, I can see a few noticeable differences.

 

[jeremy]

1) Yeah, 'cause a steel ram at 200m and a jihadi with a DShK at 650 yards are EXACTLY the same thing.

2) When I look at my T/C Encore and my 1911s, I can see a few noticeable differences.

Hell bring the jihadi up to 250 with that DShK and let him try his chance at you and let's see what happens with the guys calm that hit Rams at that range...

 

[nfranke]

try the 650 or 400 for that matter with a moving target

 

[Hookeye]

1) Yeah, 'cause a steel ram at 200m and a jihadi with a DShK at 650 yards are EXACTLY the same thing.

2) When I look at my T/C Encore and my 1911s, I can see a few noticeable differences.

No, but there are tricks to having a proper sight alignment- possibly high front sight in rear notch, point of tangent aiming point, etc.

Folks clanging above center for strong topple, repeatedly with iron sighted wheelguns is pretty cool. And it's along the lines of the Elmer stuff you commented on

The average tacticool 3 dot plastic shorty 40 folks might not know how popping things at D is done. The 1911 pistol in question web lit shows a high rear sight, damn high. And they talk of cross marks on the front blade like Elmer had, and holding the front sight even higher for the supposed 650 stuff.

The principle is sound, but the short sight radius and other mech issues might be a bit overpowering on the effect

Really, hitting things at 400 or more, probably means one is pretty consistent at shorter, like maybe 200. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

 

[Hookeye]

IHMSA may be a geezer sport, but it does take some shooting skill.

I'd expect the uber tacticools to shoot no less than AAA (standing, open sights) first go around

After all its boring ol' steel, stationary and low stress.

FWIW extinguishing a BG at 650 I think to demand a rifle, not a pistol.

Was just offering some info to those who prev thought shooting handguns at some farther ranges to be odd, when there's a sport actually for it.

 

[Tamara]

No, but there are tricks to having a proper sight alignment- possibly high front sight in rear notch, point of tangent aiming point, etc.

Folks clanging above center for strong topple, repeatedly with iron sighted wheelguns is pretty cool. And it's along the lines of the Elmer stuff you commented on

I wouldn't know. I only ever used guns like my .243 Encore and 8 3/8" 586 for run'n'gun "tacticool 3 dot plastic shorty 40" shooting at 7 yards.

People who only do one kind of shooting confuse me.

 

[Hookeye]

Great, Good, Not so Good and Suck............that's 4 kinds of shooting right there!

 

[jeremy]

Great, Good, Not so Good and Suck............that's 4 kinds of shooting right there!

You forgot one group...

Lucky or Divine Intervention...

 

[Hookeye]

Divine Intervention is a Glock Kaboom

 

[jeremy]

Divine Intervention is a Glock Kaboom

LOL!

 

[sangamospecial23j]

I don't believe that 600 yrds with a 1911 is even possible. I would love to see the youtube of that attempt.