So the GAP 230 gr Gold Dot was going 930 fps. A standard 230 load for 45 ACP is 890. So the GAP is running like a +P ACP.
I didn't think they got over 200gr bullets. Was looking at my reloading manual did not list anything over 200gr pills.
So the GAP 230 gr Gold Dot was going 930 fps. A standard 230 load for 45 ACP is 890. So the GAP is running like a +P ACP.
40 has a much wider adoption than the GAP ever had from what I understand, and you would by swapping a barrel on a 40 S&W gun have a 357 sig capable gun, so I'd place that a bit higher on the practical chart than GAP, IMO.
My slightly snarky comment wasn’t thinking about practicality or even the effectiveness of the cartridges. Merely poking fun at ammo availability. In the end they are all service cartridges.
Thank you! This was very helpful.
How dare you provide relevant information here.I like to keep INGO off balance by occasionally providing relevant information. This enrages my fan club.
Just my two cents. The 45 GAP is my favorite round to shoot. I hear all the complaints about the round (lack of ammo and expensive, stupid idea, answer to a question that wasn't asked, Gaston ego, already have the 45 ACP and nothing new or different, lower round count, etc.) and they don't bother me.
I bought my first in 2003 because I like bigger rounds and my hands are small. I have over came many of the complaints. I reload - consider it a must with this round. Brass can be found if patient (I'm around 5k cases right now and am always looking for good deals on it - .07 - .09 per casing. I shoot 185 and 230 grain bullets - prefer the round nose. I have loaded over 10 different powders and have made some really nice rounds. Velocity between 685 fps and 1125 fps. Some for power, some for speed, some for plinking, some for accuracy, some for self defense - many include all the attributes. It also uses SPP. Only issue I occasionally have is load data - I have calculated many of my own recipes from scratch (derived from 45 ACP or random GAP data). I own the Glock 37.4, Glock 37.3, Glock 38, Springfield XD LE, and Springfield LE Tactical - just missing the Glock 39.
Glocks were not my favorite ergonomically but I have adapted over the years and it has grown on me - wish other companies would make guns chambered in it, but I get it - sales drive what companies build and the GAP is not popular. I have or have shot all the other calibers out there but really like the impulse and feel of the round. I started thinning out my many multiple calibers last year to be more streamlined but this is definitely my guilty pleasure - wish they made a carbine that is produced in mass (Just Right made a few - extremely rare). It is extremely accurate and my small hands like the grip that this round fits in.
Most people that dis the round have never fired it. They just like to jump on the bandwagon and say how ridiculous it is and beat a dead horse. I posted on the Glock forum once about my preference for the round and you would have thought I was Hitler (the hate from every direction). Every friend who has shot one of mine, really likes it. I have bought every GAP firearm at a drastic reduction ($250-$375) in price because of demand (excluding present day) and ammo is almost always available on line and similarly priced as comparable 45 ACP. I have added the Glock +2 extension (only +1 for 45 GAP) to most of my mags so it gives me 11+1 in the full size.
God forgive if the Democrats ever get their wish for a national 10 round mag limit (research I have found says that Gaston was counting on the 94 AWB to be extended which would have helped drive the new round to more popularity). I'm not hyping it, saying it's the best thing since John Browning and that everyone should own one, but it has its place and is a solid addition to any ones arsenal / collection.
This information was largely what I was looking for as well. I liked seeing some first hand information on the 45 GAP from someone who's done a lot of work with it. Like I said, I'm a revolver guy but this caliber has sparked my interest throughout the years so it's nice to learn more about it. I hadn't thought about the 94 AWB but that makes a lot of sense since this caliber would have allowed for a a larger caliber in a smaller frame gun had the extension become a reality.Just my two cents. The 45 GAP is my favorite round to shoot. I hear all the complaints about the round (lack of ammo and expensive, stupid idea, answer to a question that wasn't asked, Gaston ego, already have the 45 ACP and nothing new or different, lower round count, etc.) and they don't bother me. I bought my first in 2003 because I like bigger rounds and my hands are small. I have over came many of the complaints. I reload - consider it a must with this round. Brass can be found if patient (I'm around 5k cases right now and am always looking for good deals on it - .07 - .09 per casing. I shoot 185 and 230 grain bullets - prefer the round nose. I have loaded over 10 different powders and have made some really nice rounds. Velocity between 685 fps and 1125 fps. Some for power, some for speed, some for plinking, some for accuracy, some for self defense - many include all the attributes. It also uses SPP. Only issue I occasionally have is load data - I have calculated many of my own recipes from scratch (derived from 45 ACP or random GAP data). I own the Glock 37.4, Glock 37.3, Glock 38, Springfield XD LE, and Springfield LE Tactical - just missing the Glock 39. Glocks were not my favorite ergonomically but I have adapted over the years and it has grown on me - wish other companies would make guns chambered in it, but I get it - sales drive what companies build and the GAP is not popular. I have or have shot all the other calibers out there but really like the impulse and feel of the round. I started thinning out my many multiple calibers last year to be more streamlined but this is definitely my guilty pleasure - wish they made a carbine that is produced in mass (Just Right made a few - extremely rare). It is extremely accurate and my small hands like the grip that this round fits in. Most people that dis the round have never fired it. They just like to jump on the bandwagon and say how ridiculous it is and beat a dead horse. I posted on the Glock forum once about my preference for the round and you would have thought I was Hitler (the hate from every direction). Every friend who has shot one of mine, really likes it. I have bought every GAP firearm at a drastic reduction ($250-$375) in price because of demand (excluding present day) and ammo is almost always available on line and similarly priced as comparable 45 ACP. I have added the Glock +2 extension (only +1 for 45 GAP) to most of my mags so it gives me 11+1 in the full size. God forgive if the Democrats ever get their wish for a national 10 round mag limit (research I have found says that Gaston was counting on the 94 AWB to be extended which would have helped drive the new round to more popularity). I'm not hyping it, saying it's the best thing since John Browning and that everyone should own one, but it has its place and is a solid addition to any ones arsenal / collection.
The whole idea was the 45 ACP in a Double stack G**** made a brick of a gun due to the cartridge length. G****'s answer was to shorten the case yet get the same velocity out of standard weight bullets. Thus the grip would be the same size a say a G17/19. 45 "power" in 9mm frame.