585 HE -- Cases In Production --

[vernw]

Hmmmmm...... I wonder how a 585HE case shortened to 1.8" and necked down to 35 caliber in a bolt gun throated for a Barnes 180 gr TTSX would compare ballistically to some of the other wildcats we have been playing with for Indiana deer.....

 

[hubel458]

We made one without a belt to test couple years ago, headspaced on the mouth, a real terror compared
to smaller cal short cases, Holds 90 gr powder under 585 cal pointed Minie bullet, of 440-490gr.
But since then guys just went to the 24ga FH to use in shotgun only areas and being longer gets
more speed, and cases fit break actions better..
Here is picture of 375 Warlord next to our 585 case he made it from.
He is going to make couple later necked down to 416, and 458.
There is another guy working on doing one necked down to 357 wildcat.

Here is a picture of our poster Biebs on AR, 585 HE, in a MPI stock.
He used a big Enfield action, with a fancy jeweled bolt.

We found couple other big actions for our 585, that can even feed really
long overall length loaded cases, like 4.5" long or more, if you are
using long pointed bullets for real long range target and hunting work.
One is Lawton 8000 Cheytac action, and the other is Stiller Cheytac actions
made similiar, justa newer version. Both actions come in 1.45" diameter
and a 1.60" diameter recievers.


And Vestals Gunsmithing in Virginia does great work, decent prices, has
these actions and will build you fancy 585 HEs. .. He has, working with
another guys mag box setup, setup an extra long, good working, single
stack, center feed, magazine..He has our 585 HE reamer on hand, we have
barrels, cases, and reloading dies..Ed

 

[hubel458]

Here is couple different setups our guys checking for our 585HE
in a long, Lawton Cheytac action. First laminated thumbhole stock.
Second in a Hogue Compstock. The action can mount a scope rail
like shown on the table in 1st picture or a receiver sight in 2nd picture.
The scope rail is a piccatiny,. if you need long range work.

The stocks used were wide ones for REM long actions, just add recoil
block ahead of recoil inleting for the longer action, drill new screw hole
Open the stock forward to original bolt hole for longer cases and mag.


About Enfields for our case, one of my favorites, Some don't like the
sporterizing, welding bottom metal straight. Many think straightening
is a huge job needing special jigs, etc, Not really, just use one for a jig
with a bolt, to weld on the straight extension, Do top weld, then cut old
extension that is under off with a thin cutting wheel, then weld bottom.
When we bolt the short piece on the one we are straightening, we grind
the short slant off so the added piece lays on there flat.
The one you cut off can be used as the top extension for the next one!!!
Just keep on building...Ed

 

[hubel458]

Here is picture of another neat sporterizing deal for Enfields.
On those without rear bridge pocket welded up, we just mill down
and shape it so debth of the pocket matches bottom section of
weaver rail and screw or epoxy it in. Shape to drive in hole tight.
Can use as a rear scope ring mount or mount for peep sight
like a compact UTG sight...

If we have a welded up Enfield rear bridge, then we can use sight
like on this gun a guy is doing. Has a rosewood laminate stock.
He will have it checkered, sanded, with fancy finish.

Here is a fancy stocked 24ga FH built on a NEF, built by
a guy in Canada. Its straight back, high comp
stock, handles recoil great... Ed

More about 585 BB short case for lever guns, pistols,AR Uppers,
Work in 71s, later 1886s, Henry steel frames made for 45-70.
One guy is putting one in single shot action set up with
Contender style pistol grip for testing in long rifle barrel,
to simulate pistol recoil..Be very brisk recoil in a case
that holds 110 gr powder under a light Minie bullet
Maybe work in a Rossi Judge with heavy barrel.
Or rolling block rifles and pistols....Ed

 

[hubel458]

Here is a picture from the back, of a big Lawton action that
our 585HE fits in nice. Scope rail on there is tapered
for long range shooting.

Here is what our wildcatter buddy is making from our
585HE brass to see how they look and experiment with.
He is getting reamers, dies, and gun setup first for the 375.

In some ways big bore shotguns and rifles are sexy.
By looking at the shape of the fire and smoke cloud....
Thanks for picture, to the great NitroExpress Forums site. Ed

 

[hubel458]

A poster reading our threads said '' I'm slowly becoming a recoilapheliac''..
That is neat term , and very glad that folks are catching the big bore fever.


Here is a simple, yet neat peep sight we can use on the rear sporterized
bridges of Enfields, works on other rear bridges also.Including shotguns.
I like peep sights the best for most shooting. They also come with flat
bottoms also for bridges and receivers that are flat on top.

Another picture of the 585 HE one of our guys put in the MPI stock..

On straight sided cases like our 585 HE the die set has a mouth expander
die to make it easy to insert bullets. The die flares the mouth, but I always
felt that doing what is really a relative relatively sharp flare, and then the slight
roll crimping the same area of the case into a groove on the
bullet or slug, shortens case life.


So I just use expander plug out of the die, by hand, using just the bottom of
of the expander plug and just push it in a little, wobble it around a small
amount, bullet goes in ok, case mouths last longer, good for dozens of loads,
with moderate hunting and target loads.Only takes a few seconds and less
work that has to be done in the press ... Ed

 

[hubel458]

Here is video by Corlanes Sporting, Dawson Creek, BC, CAN.
Known as, Rocky Mtn Rifles, video on Youtube of them testing our
585 HE in a barreled action, they are building for a guy. They are
shooting it into their big bullet trap with test load..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vzQjRGfT1A


Allan and Grant Swan in Australia are building 585HE for a guy,
the second they built. First one killed the buff pictured earlier .
AHR and Vestals will make folks here in US a 585 HE.
Here is another view of a Lawton action big enough for 585HE..

Here is picture of Rossi SS with 585 barrel mono-blocked into it,
chambered for our 585 BB 2.17" case, to do testing in a light rifle
with just pistol grip to simulate the case in pistols. Others going to
put case in leverguns, autoloaders. We got plenty of cases Ed

 

[hubel458]

Here is what an enfield is like with weaver rail piece


mounted in the rear bridge pocket. Saves welding the bridge.


Can hold scope ring or a rear peep sight. Can use tall scope ring


on back and short one on a weaver rail piece on front bridge. Ed

 

[hubel458]

Here is picture of a great old time 8bore double.
I like those old outside hammer, big bore guns.

The style of most break actions singles aren't the greatest, that we
we used for 12ga FH, 10ga FH, other caliber barrels we mono-blocked
in them like .585" bore for 585HE and 24ga FH.. One that is close
that we have, is the Magtech.


Well the guys have found one that is super strong lockup and looks
real nice. And has the good quality look. It comes 12ga light shot barrel,
soon be monoblocked to rifled 24ga FH, the little brother of the 585HE.


We told company if they did them with NEF style, rifled, heavy slug barrel,
for shotgun caliber only hunters, they couldn't make them fast enough.

Here is picture of 585HE, In an Enfield that Bret and Darrel in Minn
set up with great camo finish, with nice brake job.. Ed

 

[hubel458]

Here is folder shotgun, the guys set up as 24ga FH.
Shoots nice, looks nice, it a more expensive break action,
compared to many others.

Here is another view of what we feel is a nearly perfect
break action. Guy is making a strong 24ga FH with it.

Here is picture of a 585HE MRC PH a guy set up..

Here is picture of our shorter 585 BB for leverguns, etc, with
variety of bullets..Can get energy like regular elephant guns..Ed

 

[hubel458]

Here is a Midland break action a guy is doing in 24ga FH.

Here is old catalog picture of different stuff used in old days
for shotgun loads. Some would be hairy in brass cases

Here is picture of a MN a guy is doing 585HE in..
It is singleshot. Redid bolt handle mounted it on the bolt
further bac, so the port could be lengthened for our long case.
Needs polishing and blueing, scope rail added.

Here is another picture of the 585HE with great looking stock.
Nice looking wood. Ed

 

[Cerberus]

51 posts and only 5 not by the OP. Well, now 6.

 

[hubel458]

Here is pic of Big Lawton action bolt with


our 585HE case in it.Ed

 

[hubel458]

Here is picture of our 585BB case next to long 585HE.

Here is another view of the great camo job on the
585HE Enfield, a top view. Ed

 

[hubel458]

About the local fellow here making 375 wildcat with our 585 case-


Hello Mr. Hubel,


We just got back on Saturday from competing at the King of 2 Miles Match in New Mexico.


We won! I came in first shooting my rifle (the one I brought over and showed you),

chambered in .375 Lethal Magnum, the round I designed based off of your case.


I’m attaching a bunch of pictures, feel free to post any of them that you want.

I do have one picture of the screen of the camera system looking at the 2500-yard target.

The hit farthest to the left and the hit farthest to the right were my 1st and 2nd shots.



I’m getting more interest in this cartridge now that the results

from this match are spreading across the web.

Happy 4th!

Take care,


Mitchell Fitzpatrick

Lethal Precision Arms

1(989)578-2576



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Will have pics soon, his case is close to 375 Warlord case

with a shorter neck, and longer to shoulder.

Got guys getting 585HE cases, they all think we have

''the'' case to wildcat... Ed

 

[TheBoss930]

Isn't this cartridge a DD since it's bigger than .500?

 

[hubel458]

No we got it listed through ATF, as an exempt from DD, sporting cartridge.

In the GCA law is procedure to do that, just file paperwork, wait for approval.

The law automatically exempted shotgun calibers and over 50 rifle calibers that were

around before the law was enacted like 577NE, 577Maynard. Now over the years

there are dozens of over 50 cals exempted as sporting..Ed

 

[hubel458]

Here is picture of a 585HE made on a Stiller bolt action for guy in Canada.


It was made for the poster Spooksar on Africa Hunting and Accuratereloading,


by Corlanes/Rocky Mountain rifles, in Dawson Creek BC Canada, with a


Stiller action, Timney trigger. the stock is a blue/grey laminate. He imported


the barrel, cases, dies, etc.. from us, through Prophet River in Lloydminster AB.

That action similar to Lawton we had and neighbor got, that won the King Of The


2 Mile shoot at Whittington, with the 375 Lethal cartridge the neighbor made,


from our 585 brass. Made it full length case,.. It is big one on the right.


He made an 18 lb gun with McMillan target stock, a huge scope, tripod..


Nice thing is we don't need BMG action.

Here is picture of a case a Trex owner made using our 585 brass, by putting


a piece of 11/16 tubing ,cut a piece 2/10 of an inch long with a tube cutter chamfered


the cut side a bit and tapped it on the case down to the belt with the brass pipe


and fireformed it in the T Rex chamber.......Made a perfect fitting case.


Cut our brass to 3" to fit shorter trex specs. He was out of brass


and couldn't find more, so he invented his own. And our rim was big


enough so his extractor still worked ok....His original Trex case base is .685"


and our rim and belt on first case run, is .655" diameter, and base ahead


of the belt on unfired cases .631" and the brass sleave pushed up tight to the


belt just takes up that little difference. Ed.

 

[hubel458]

Some more on wildcat 375 Lethal.......


.375 Lethal Precision Arms LLC rifle shooting prototype solid 400gr Berger bullets.


Mitchell built this rifle himself using a McMillan A5 Super Mag stock, Rock Creek barrel,


Nightforce ATACR MOA scope, Phoenix Precision Bipod, and a Lethal Precision Arms


muzzle brake. Lawton Action. Lethal Precision his own gunsmith shop, will make


these target rifles for anyone into target shooting and long range hunting..




Remarkably, Mitchell nailed first- and second- shot hits at the 2477-yard target,


a full 1.4 miles away. It is windy out there, makes shooting hard with a time limit.


The prototype 400 grain Berger Bullets solid was superb, (G7 BC of 0.56 at 3000 fps).

Here is 585 HE in an Enfield, in a Choate Heavy Varmint Stock. These are super strong.


The butts of these can easily be weighted. Couple guys doing them....... Ed

 

[hubel458]

Here is picture of Lawton action bolt with our 585 case in it,


and it will do for any necked down wildcats also. Ed