A different take on the Roberts vote

[Cpt Caveman]

Another view….


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Chief Justice John Roberts hung the skunk around Obama's neck today

By Curt Dale

I believe Chief Justice John Roberts just hung the skunk around Barack
Obama's neck. Too many of us were banking on the belief that conservative
justices would do our heavy lifting for us by deep sixing Obamacare. I say
"us" because we have elected the Republicans who failed to stand up over the
years, letting the Liberals spout platitudes while building toward this
Obamacare travesty.

Obama now has the biggest tax increase in history tattooed on his forehead
like a scarlet letter. He is saddled with his long and persistent
declarations, "It is not a tax." He has said, "I will never raise taxes on
the middle class," and his well known promises butt up against the Supreme
Court decision that brands his Obamacare mandate "a tax." This makes
President George H. W. Bush's "Read my lips! No new taxes!" look like a nit
in history.

President George W. Bush may have just gotten his money's worth today for
appointing Roberts as Chief Justice. First, Roberts was presented as a
Constitutionalist justice in his confirmation hearings and by Bush. Today,
Roberts' votes today were all strictly by the Constitution. Once Obamacare
hit the Supreme Court, Obama's lawyers presented the mandate as a tax,
perpetrating a total fraud on "We the People." It had to be ruled as such by
the honest, deliberative Justice Roberts who is dedicated to strictly
following the Constitution. That is exactly what Roberts did. Sure, he could
have voted with the four Conservative members to kill Obamacare, but he
would have disregarded the Constitution, delving into legislating from the
bench. So, I don't appreciate those, such as Michelle Bachmann, who are
trashing Roberts because they didn't get their way. They got what we should
be praying for-strict interpretation of the Constitution.

Like it or not, our elected representatives in Congress can tax us without
limit so long as we let them. That's the Constitution and the law. It's
nothing new, and it's up to "We the People" to stop them. Lots of
Conservatives are just now awakening to that point of law. Congress passed
the tax and Obama signed it into law. That was constitutional, and the tax
will be there until such time as Congress and the President, whomever he or
she may be, repeals it. Roberts insured the integrity of "his" court. In his
other votes today on Obamacare, he also established a hard and fast limit
that the government can't force us to buy things (due to the Commerce
Clause), even though they can tax us, and created a roadblock by helping
declare the Medicare/Medicaid part of the act unconstitutional.

Now it is up to "We the People" to correct this constitutionally through the
two branches of government we most closely control-the Executive and
Legislative Branches. Throw out Obama, elect Romney (who has promised to
repeal Obama care) elect enough really Conservative, reliable,
constitutional minded members to Congress, and Obamacare will disappear,
constitutionally, because "We the People," made it disappear. It won't be
because the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court bowed to political pressure.
He did his job.

Thinking soberly, it was quite disingenuous for any student of the
Constitution to feel we could rely on SCOTUS to magically repair the
enormous damage we've blithely watched and allowed to develop over decades,
trashing our Constitution.

Obama wouldn't even mention the word, "tax," today as he revealed he's
already wounded by the decision Roberts has hung on him. I think the
commentator who said, "Obama's lawyers may have snatched defeat out of the
jaws of victory" may have been right.When they used the "It's a tax,"
argument in a moment of desperation before SCOTUS, they just may have given
Roberts the perfect ruling. I recollect how he and the other justices sat in
the State of the Union Address being lectured by Obama. I recall Justice Sam
Alito mouthing "It's not true!" when Obama made an outrageous claim. More
recently Obama has further lectured the SCOTUS. I feel Roberts has been
making a tick mark with every bashing he and the Supreme Court takes from
Obama. I don't think Obama got what he wanted at all. He wanted the mandate
to be acceptable under the Commerce clause, not to have it branded a tax.
Now, Mitt Romney can trumpet that Obama has foisted the biggest tax raise of
all time on the American People, and can do it with the words of the Chief
Justice of the Supreme Court as proof. I believe that Romney can very
effectively be on the offensive all the way through election day, going
after Obama on the miserable economy, the horrible jobs record and hanging
the biggest tax raise in US History, by far, on Obama.

So, if you believe we were let down by Chief Justice Roberts, do some
serious homework, understand what happened, then go to work to eject Obama
in November and give Romney a Congress to work with. It's in your hands, "We
the People!" This is our job. It wasn't Roberts' job.

Colonel Curtis D. Dale, PhD, USAF (Ret)
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[traderdan]

He failed to stand up and vote with the other conservatives to reject this foolish step in the direction of socialism.Someone has a handle on him that we cannot see...Sorry,I do not buy these excuses for him.

 

[kludge]

+1. CINO apologists really get my goat.

 

[spec4]

This argument has appeared elsewhere. For me, I can walk either side of this street and that troubles me. For now, I'll stipulate that Roberts is a lot smarter than I am. The proof will be in the pudding. If it works, it will be a very slick way to use the community organizers strength against him.

 

[lester]

Robert missed an great early chance to both limit the commerce clause and also eliminate Obama care. There was an opportunity for him to do both and many of us wish he would have taken advantage of that opportunity. I do believe, however, that he accomplished one unimagined benefit that will begin to play out this fall. The free-stuff army thinks they won a great battle and as such, they are not now presently engaged in the discourse. Instead of a rally cry for the left to blame the republicans for eliminating obamacare, the leaders of the left-wing now has to spend the next four months explaining what its not a tax. The free-stuff army doesn't understand and doesn't care, not the foot soldiers and not the pawns who are too busy *****ing about the heat and waiting for their check on the 3rd.

Meanwhile, with no allowable consequences on the states for not setting up the exchanges, 35 of 50 states will simply not implement the law. If the law had any chance of working, based upon its own mechanics, it needs an exchange in every state. Now, the SCOTUS essentially deflated obamacare by eliminating the medicare and medicaid penalties to the states while simultaneously making the left think they passed its most important test. We can only dream of more such victories for the left.

 

[tenring]

Roberts did not vote for Obama, care. He voted against Obama [and the late Ted Kennedy] by proving that the whole thing "is" a tax.

 

[CarmelHP]

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Absolute rubbish, an exercise in self deception.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Roberts did nothing commendable. He allowed the largest extraconstitutional power grab (yes, even bigger than the grossly misnamed PATRIOT Act) to stand while nipping at its ankles a bit. Had that coward/traitor stood with the conservatives, Obamacare could have been sent to the trash heap by reason of both being far outside the interstate commerce clause and also by addressing the concept of .gov-sponsored extortion which cannot reasonably be tortured out of the power of taxation.

Here is what the Constitution has to say about taxes. You will note the conspicuous absence of anything about taxes (think both NFA and ObamaCare) or any other instrument of forcibly collecting money as a tool of extorting modifications in people's behavior or exercise of established freedoms.

Section 7
1: All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

Section 8
1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

 

[spearheadersarge]

I'm not sure if its a win for conservatives in the end? I do like the limit he placed on the commerce clause. If the senate will ever vote on it, it may be interesting to see what happens. We know BHO will veto, but would there be enough negative will in the country to overide it? Otherwise we have to hope Romney wins and the repubs take back the Senate. We'll see I guess. It's got all the trimmings of "too close to call!"

 

[CarmelHP]

I'm not sure if its a win for conservatives in the end? I do like the limit he placed on the commerce clause. If the senate will ever vote on it, it may be interesting to see what happens. We know BHO will veto, but would there be enough negative will in the country to overide it? Otherwise we have to hope Romney wins and the repubs take back the Senate. We'll see I guess. It's got all the trimmings of "too close to call!"

What limit did he place on the commerce clause. The commerce clause was not part of the holding so it's dicta, doesn't hold weight. If he went with the other side it would be part of the holding of the case.

 

[spearheadersarge]

He just confirmed that Congress has the power to tax. Obamacare is nothing more than an expansion of federal benefits which we pay for through payrol deductions. Its social security, medicade/medicare and will be paid for by us eventually resulting in the progressives main goal of a single payer system. The rich will still get fabulous healthcare, the rest of us will be on the rationed system!

 

[Expat]

Before It's News

Ann Coulter warned us in 2005.

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2005-07-20.html

 

[IndyDave1776]

He just confirmed that Congress has the power to tax. Obamacare is nothing more than an expansion of federal benefits which we pay for through payrol deductions. Its social security, medicade/medicare and will be paid for by us eventually resulting in the progressives main goal of a single payer system. The rich will still get fabulous healthcare, the rest of us will be on the rationed system!

Actually, it is more than that. The applicable sections of the Constitution authorize Congress to implement taxes to raise revenue for stated reasons. Extorting the citizens into changing their behavior including but not limited to what products they may purchase is not one of the stated reasons for which the authority to tax is given. Roberts just invented the concept of legalized extortion by the .gov.

 

[rambone]

 

[IndyDave1776]

Greatest similarity since Rosencrantz and Guildenstern:

 

[level.eleven]

Posner is calling all of you "goofy". Particularly with all of this Roberts nonsense.

Federal Judge Richard Posner: The GOP Has Made Me Less Conservative : It's All Politics : NPR

 

[hacksawfg]

You know, now that the precedent has been set - I think the government should tax everybody who DOESN'T own a gun, because not having one in theory means you're relying purely on taxpayer dollars to protect yourself.