A Farewell to Arms (Why I jumped off the Glock bandwagon)

[jgreiner]

Welcome to the MP world. I have had mine since June (MP Pro 9mm, 5")...and I have around 2400 flawless rounds down the pipe so far. It seems to eat almost everything (though I find the Federal cheap ammo very dirty and smokey).

Just for kicks last week, I shot a 1911 .45, then picked up my MP.....and realized just how much I love shooting it.

 

[Springer]

You made the right choice, not necessarily by choosing the M&P, but by going with what you shoot better with regardless of brand. Now I need to get an M&P and see if I shoot better with one.

 

[lovemachine]

Some M&P 9c love!

And with my Glock 19.

 

[esrice]

Just curious, why does the grass grow better behind where you are shooting? Is it the frequent aeration? Sulfur deposition from powder residue? Dangerously low lead levels in the surrounding grass leading to anemic growth?

Very astute observation!

During NFA Day 2011 that area was hit with thousands of rounds of .308 spit out by a Browning 1919. It dug a sizable hole into the side of the dam. lovemywoods repacked it with dirt and had recently reseeded it. What you are seeing is simply new grass growth.


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9rDGcxelIs&feature=related[/ame]

 

[mtgasten]

Very astute observation!

During NFA Day 2011 that area was hit with thousands of rounds of .308 spit out by a Browning 1919. It dug a sizable hole into the side of the dam. lovemywoods repacked it with dirt and had recently reseeded it. What you are seeing is simply new grass growth.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9rDGcxelIs&feature=related

I watched an episode of sons of guns the other day and they made a browning 1919 into a shoulder fired weapon...it was ridiculous i think the thing weighed about 35 lbs when they were done with it haha

 

[Txlur]

I appreciate the . . . um. . . support?

I run a pretty basic system, but I can certainly shoot you a PM ahead of time before the items hit the Classifieds.

Yeah, that was my question too. Glad you like the M&P, how much for the stuff?

 

[INMIline]

Nice write up. But I have to ask, have you ever shot a CZ P-01?

 

[esrice]

But I have to ask, have you ever shot a CZ P-01?

Nope. The DA/SA would make it a non-starter for me, among other things.

I've heard that CZs are good shooters though!

 

[iChokePeople]

If Glock was publicly traded, I'd have shorted them when I read your initial post.

 

[dbd870]

I shoot the M&P better than the 19 myself.

 

[DustyDawg48]

I have both and actually enjoy shooting the 9mm M&P over the Glock 17/19 but the Glock 21 has the M&P45 beat in just about every category except maybe looks. I get a bit of slide bite on the webbing of my hands when shooting my 9mm Glocks and the beaver tail or tang on the frame of the M&P lets me get a really aggressive grip on it without worrying about that. I don't have that problem at all with my larger framed Glocks and actually like the bigger grip on the G21 over the M&P45.

I have had more issues with the M&P than my Glocks, though. My M&P9 Pro was sent to Smith twice for rusting on the slide. I'd shoot it or wear it for a few hours and the gun would have rust all over it. This slide it wears now seems to have that problem beat though, thankfully. I do find that I will short-stroke the trigger on my M&P9; it seems the Glocks have a shorter pull or reset than the M&P but shooting one exclusively for any period of time will work that out. My other issue is with the M&P and the 'auto forward' or the releasing of the slide after inserting a loaded magazine. More than half the time the slide release but fails to chamber a round. I'm using all factory M&P mags and it's done it to me just on the static firing line while practicing, during IDPA matches and during some pistol fighting courses.

Overall they are both great pistols, 2 of the best out there no matter the price range. It's good that you made a solid decision based on your likes and didn't follow the ravings on some dedicated web forum.

 

[Shoots4Fun]

Great write up....but Im not giving up my glock.

I agree with this.

Good report and nice details. I know the M&P is a fine weapon, but I like the finger grooves.

 

[mammynun]

Does this mean you're going to want to borrow my EOTech?

 

[esrice]

Does this mean you're going to want to borrow my EOTech?

lol

Same deal-- if EOTech's can muster the same reputation for reliability and battery life as Aimpoints, then I'll certainly consider them more seriously.

 

[bigcraig]

Excellent report!

You made a personal choice based on your own personal wants, and needs, and came to a well thought out decision. For this, I award you 100 internets!

While I am too vested in the Glock platform to make a complete change in handguns, I did buy an M&P45 when they were first introduced. The gun performed perfectly and felt great, but I had issues getting spare mags, holsters and good sights, and at the time those issues didn't seem to be changing for the better anytime soon. So I sold it.

I am confident that your decision will work out for you.

Good work.

 

[stoyan79]

Glock makes a good pistol, but there are better choices out there. I have discovered that long time ago. Unfortunately most Glock owners keep drinking the kool-aid and refuse to open their eyes.

 

[Caleb]

The m&p fit my hand pretty well, no glock pistol does thought

 

[esrice]

Unfortunately most Glock owners keep drinking the kool-aid and refuse to open their eyes.

I resented the fact that many folks view Glock owners as blind sheep that are simply buying into hype. It just isn't true. Glocks are fantastic hard-use tools that have proven themselves time and time again. Many folks are quite effective with them.

I stayed with them so long because, despite the grip not being optimized for my hands, no other pistol could touch them where it really counts-- reliability and simplicity. I wouldn't have jumped ship if the M&P didn't have the reputation it does now.

Unfortunately Glock has stayed somewhat stagnate in this fiercely competitive market. They've rested on their reputation too long and haven't been as innovative with new products as other companies have. I believe this has and will continue to cost them in the LE market, the training market, and now the esrice market.

 

[DustyDawg48]

I resented the fact that many folks view Glock owners as blind sheep that are simply buying into hype. It just isn't true. Glocks are fantastic hard-use tools that have proven themselves time and time again. Many folks are quite effective with them.

I appreciate you saying that, esrice; nothing gets me more than everybody associating the 'fanboy' title with anybody that chooses to use a Glock. I'm not wealthy but I can choose to shoot anything that I want. Of the rounds I've put downrange in all my weapons only my Glocks have had few if any issues. I can absolutely depend on them, something that I haven't been able to say about some of my other guns. Not everybody is a mindless sheep or drunk on the Kool Aid.

 

[gglass]

I appreciate you saying that, esrice; nothing gets me more than everybody associating the 'fanboy' title with anybody that chooses to use a Glock. I'm not wealthy but I can choose to shoot anything that I want. Of the rounds I've put downrange in all my weapons only my Glocks have had few if any issues. I can absolutely depend on them, something that I haven't been able to say about some of my other guns. Not everybody is a mindless sheep or drunk on the Kool Aid.

You just said that because he said that.