A question about long guns

[OutdoorDad]

Here is my advice...

Save up your money to buy a car.
Then get a good job.
An undergraduate degree will help with that a lot.

After you you have your life in hand and moving forward, go get a handgun for defense.


In the meantime, go to harbor freight and buy a machete for under $20. I think they'll ship it to you.

Almost no one willingly enters an apartment with malice- where the resident is armed with a machete.

 

[VERT]

Unless the guy coming in has a machete.

 

[gassprint1]

Not sure how you can compare a 12-20ga power to a 410. If you could, most would hunt deer with one an not a 12 or 20. A long gun in any apartment being small is better than nothing if u feel possibly threatened where u live an have no choice but to live the at this time. A 410 will do damage with half the power of bigger bore shotguns. Yea it will blow a hole in the wall if close enough but the distance pattern is different. People i see are telling u to save for a car, move to a bricked building and such. That info shouldn't be said as u have to live with what u have currently. A 22 isn't an idea cause you need to point an shoot an a moments notice if needed with out a direct aim. A pump 410 would suit you fine. You want the shortest barrle sold. In the old days you could have a sawed off shotgun(scatter gun) like grandma had.

 

[VERT]

The Box O' Truth #3 - The Shotgun Meets the Box O' Truth - The Box O' Truth

I will be the second person to leave this here.

 

[AA&E]

I wonder how many pieces of sheetrock my 40S&W would penetrate. I'd be surprised if it didn't "perform" just as well/better then the buckshot in penetrating.

 

[VERT]

I wonder how many pieces of sheetrock my 40S&W would penetrate. I'd be surprised if it didn't "perform" just as well/better then the buckshot in penetrating.

It would. Pistol bullets are quite efficient in punching through drywall. Hollow points tend to clog up and not expand as a result. Hence the barrier penetration testing of bullets.

 

[trucker777]

It's not illegal. If you carry it home in a box, nobody will probably know any different. If you're talking about a self defense scenario, I would be very concered about using a rifle or shotgun in an apartment building.

A shotgun with birdshot would be fine for an apartment.

 

[MohawkSlim]

I'm in Bedford.

Shoot me a PM and I'll give you a ride.

 

[GNRPowdeR]

A shotgun with birdshot would be fine for an apartment.

But it wouldn't be enough to "stop" a person Hell bent on doing you harm.

 

[oldpink]

But it wouldn't be enough to "stop" a person Hell bent on doing you harm.

I just don't buy that one bit.
I saw an episode of "Cops" several years ago, with a bad guy who had broken into a house with two women and with severe malice aforethought (there was a Hi-Point 9mm on the floor next to his carcass) who was well and most assuredly dead from a shotgun blast of birdshot thanks to a neighbor who saw what was happening and saved the day.
The hundred or so tiny pellet holes were clearly visible in the wall around the bad guy (obviously, at least two shots had been fired), and the bad guy had taken a full charge of the "inferior" bird shot to the torso.
Buckshot doesn't make nearly that many holes, and when it does, the holes aren't smaller in diameter than the guts of a Bic pen.
I think that a lot of the skepticism about the efficacy of birdshot comes from assuming distances greater than the 20 feet or less typical of inside the home defense distance.
Beyond 20 feet, especially outdoors, or thereabouts would definitely give buckshot a decisive advantage over birdshot.

 

[VERT]

Can a person die as a result of birdshot in a shotgun? Yes!
For that matter does .380 kill people? Yes!
Is there such a thing as a psychological stop? You bet!
Can any gun, including .22, be used for self defense? Absolutely!!!!
Are these the best choice? .............

Let me rephrase, the only thing between a very bad person and your family is what is in your hands. What do you want that to be?

 

[trucker777]

I just don't buy that one bit.
I saw an episode of "Cops" several years ago, with a bad guy who had broken into a house with two women and with severe malice aforethought (there was a Hi-Point 9mm on the floor next to his carcass) who was well and most assuredly dead from a shotgun blast of birdshot thanks to a neighbor who saw what was happening and saved the day.
The hundred or so tiny pellet holes were clearly visible in the wall around the bad guy (obviously, at least two shots had been fired), and the bad guy had taken a full charge of the "inferior" bird shot to the torso.
Buckshot doesn't make nearly that many holes, and when it does, the holes aren't smaller in diameter than the guts of a Bic pen.
I think that a lot of the skepticism about the efficacy of birdshot comes from assuming distances greater than the 20 feet or less typical of inside the home defense distance.
Beyond 20 feet, especially outdoors, or thereabouts would definitely give buckshot a decisive advantage over birdshot.

That is correct. A blast of birdshot at close range( i.e., inside an apartment dwelling) to the head or torso is enough to ruin any assailants day without having to worry too much about any neighbors. It may or may not permanently "stop" the bad guy, but it will certainly buy you time for follow up shots to end the threat or to make your escape if need be.

...also the psychological effect of the sound of a pump shotgun "racking a round" is sometimes enough to deter any would be threat.
You could also get some beanbag or other less lethal rounds for it if neighbors are too much of a concern.