Active shooter at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas...

[Vigilant]

The civilian M240 fires from a closed bolt from the looks of it the right side plate is thicker and the trigger group from a full auto will not work operating rod is different.
Could be done but seems very difficult compared to a AK/RPD conversion ?

249-249 not 240, 5.56 vs.7.62! Clip/magazine and all.

 

[Fargo]

What you did there.. I seen it..

Was that SAW ever recovered or is it still in the ether?

 

[Ggreen]

I get it. 58 dead. Everyone's clearly gonna jump on the "would have been more with a suppressor" bandwagon. Thanks for setting me straight.

Just building off of one of her tweets post massacre. Controlling people will twist any event into something that can push their agenda.

 

[Brad69]

Infinite Capacity - Surgical Accuracy: The M240 SLR from Ohio Ordnance Works, Inc.


I was speaking of this !

The M249 has a distinct sound and fires at 800 to 1000rpm way faster than the audio from that attack!

 

[CSORuger]

First our prayers to the 58 plus killed and the now over 500 wounded.

If the was posted sorry for repeat. Washing Post had this photo of him, and more on his lifestyle.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-life-before-massacre/?utm_term=.5a16164d46c0

 

[MCgrease08]

I don't see the problem with admitting "our" side has its crazies too. This is an issue of crazy. If it is politically motivated at all, it is because of an extremist ideology, not a normal ideology. The crazy guy who shot up a Planned Parenthood in Colorado a year or two ago was a crazy ideologue. It wasn't a normal anti-abortion political stance that made him do it. It was the crazy extremism.

I need to weigh in on this notion that only mentally ill or "crazy" people carry out these mass shootings. That's nonsense. Sure some mass shooters are mentally ill, but from what we know so far, this act seems to have been meticulously planned and rationally carried out.

Perfectly sane people have committed incredible acts of violence.

Perhaps the killer was looking for noteriety. Maybe his life was unraveling due to money or relationship problems. Maybe he was a left winger who hated Trump and thought a country music concert would be full of Republicans. We just don't know yet. But we shouldn't simply dismiss it as crazy.

Gavin de Becker's book "The Gift of Fear" has a section that touches on the mindset and profiles of assasins and mass shooters. Everyone should take a couple of days to read it, and a lot of these mysterious motives may become a little less mysterious.

This comment is not specifically directed at you Jamil, rather the cummulative comments in this thread.

 

[MCgrease08]

According to WaPo

a. Shooter was a gambler too. High stakes video poker.

b. Prior neighbors describe him as aloof, distant.

c. Golfed by himself.

Careful now. This pretty much describes me perfectly. Well' except the video poker. I only play with real decks. I don't trust the machines.

 

[actaeon277]

I get it. 58 dead. Everyone's clearly gonna jump on the "would have been more with a suppressor" bandwagon. Thanks for setting me straight.

It was being said within an hour of the event.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Clark County Sheriff on tv now saying 18 additional firearms, explosives and several "electronic devices" were retrieved from Paddock's Mesquite, NV home. SWAT is getting ready to breach his other home in northern Nevada. That seems odd... since he's dead. Why would SWAT be called to breach what should be an empty home?

 

[actaeon277]

Clark County Sheriff on tv now saying 18 additional firearms, explosives and several "electronic devices" from Paddock's Mesquite, NV home. SWAT is getting ready to breach his other home in northern Nevada. That seems odd... since he's dead. Why would SWAT be called to breach what should be an empty home?

Cause he may have seeded the place with traps/bombs.

 

[injb]

Clark County Sheriff on tv now saying 18 additional firearms, explosives and several "electronic devices" from Paddock's Mesquite, NV home. SWAT is getting ready to breach his other home in northern Nevada. That seems odd... since he's dead. Why would SWAT be called to breach what should be an empty home?

Probably concerned it might be rigged with traps, like the Colorado shooter.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Most on this board probably have the equipment already, some have the training, some have the money. Some have all of the above!

Some would even know how to set a dust charge on the door and a secondary to set the room on fire. I'd say most any former 12B who's been to MOUT school.

I really doubt most people knew what was going on, where the shots were coming from or what the threat was. You are sitting here knowing a hell of a lot more than the folks at that concert last night.

This. Loud, chaotic environment, you expect loud noises, shots echo, etc. It takes a split second to react to fire when you expect it, it takes longer to shift gears when you don't, particularly if the threat is ill defined and the situation is full of sensory input. God forbid you're drunk, sleep deprived, etc. It's real easy to say how you'd react in the comfort of a safe environment with minimal stimulus and no time pressure.

C'mon, people were dropping BEFORE, the gunfire could have plausibly been heard. OODA loop and the average bear kinda stuff. Person next to you vaporizes, a bit later you hear the "crack", you're still processing vaporized, now you have more stimulus to process, it WILL affect someone who has never been "indoctrinated", and still will affect those that have been. It's VERY hard to determine the direction of incoming fire when you hear the fire AFTER you see the results!

This. It's also why we are hard wired to run when we see others run, to minimize that response time and so each individual doesn't have to work through the full OODA. We can do the greatly abbreviated OODA of seeing others run, follow, and we can figure out what the danger was later.

Good they fired her. How is it she could have been employed at a news organization in the first place with such bias?

The bigger part of the conversation few are asking?
Why was it that country music fans were targeted? This was planned well in advance, not random.

Because it's a large mass of people under an elevated position?

Basically, where did he get full auto.
Kinda leads credence to an ISIS connection. Not proof, but brings up the question.

What? ISIS shipped him one from Syria? I think there's plenty of American based criminal enterprises with better logistics in place than ISIS, assuming this stuff is even black market.

Anyone else think it's a bit strange that we still don't know exactly what type of guns were used yet?

Lulz, no. If I'm lead detective on a scene that big knowing exactly what kind of rifles and then giving that information to the media reps is so far down my totem poll I might get to it by Christmas. Other than getting the s/n and starting the process of trying to trace purchase info to see if I have possible co-conspirators, I don't care what kind of guns they were. You can lock the room down and process it whenever. Outdoor scenes are a priority, witnesses who may need to travel, etc. are a priority. Knowing and releasing what kind of gun has very little investigative relevance.

Up to 19 firearms found in the room. This guy was able to get 19 guns into a Las Vegas hotel and casino and stay for 3 days and getting his room cleaned with no suspicion... In a hotel that houses millions in cash you can sneak 19 rifles and pistols into a room on the 32nd floor....

I travel with guns, leave the DND sign out and the TV on, and housekeeping doesn't go in my room. It's really not a big deal to travel with a trunk that would fit the guns and ammo. I could get 10 AR style rifles broken into uppers and lowers into two suitcases and the magazines in a carry-on size bag with no issue.

How would someone steal an M240?? It’s not like people leave trailers of them laying around unattended...

It's rare for a complete weapon to go missing, but armories do occasionally get successfully broken in to. Generally with some inside help.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/assault-rifles-stolen-from-massachusetts-army-reserve-armory as an example.

The U.S. Army Reserve armory in Worcester, Massachusetts, was broken into Saturday night and more than a dozen guns were stolen, a law enforcement source told The Daily Beast.
Six M4 assault rifles, 10 pistols, and several long guns were taken from the armory, according to the source. The break-in was discovered Sunday morning.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Clark County Sheriff on tv now saying 18 additional firearms, explosives and several "electronic devices" were retrieved from Paddock's Mesquite, NV home. SWAT is getting ready to breach his other home in northern Nevada. That seems odd... since he's dead. Why would SWAT be called to breach what should be an empty home?

He may have left a little going away present to remember him by.

 

[MCgrease08]

Clark County Sheriff on tv now saying 18 additional firearms, explosives and several "electronic devices" were retrieved from Paddock's Mesquite, NV home. SWAT is getting ready to breach his other home in northern Nevada. That seems odd... since he's dead. Why would SWAT be called to breach what should be an empty home?

Potential booby traps. Maybe he rigged up the house knowing they'd be coming by after he offed himself.

 

[Brad69]

He played golf by himself = something's not right in the headrom

Crazy is something I know!

Many degrees of crazy exist from poop smearing and throwing mental midgets to CEO's.

A normal exterior and rational behavior might just hide the dantes inferno inside the head.

All of of us are slightly crazy and have the capacity to go full helter skelter quickly.

 

[HoughMade]

It was being said within an hour of the event.

Context.

I know what was said when. It was posited, a few pages back, that this was a false flag to keep suppressor reform from passing.

I said that an actual false flag would have actually used a suppressor.

False flag=That is ridiculous.

I remember when I first got on INGO. Lot of "false flag" talk. Best proof anyone ever produced was documents from the early '60s that (even if authentic) only talked about potential false flag operations that were never carried out.

Let's stop this false flag nonsense.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Cause he may have seeded the place with traps/bombs.

Exactly. It's easy to rig a doorway or window. It's much less easy to rig an entrance you didn't know was going to be an entrance, or not have your trap touched off by a breaching charge on a traditional entrance.

I'm the furthest thing from SWAT, but urban training in the Army for Combat Engineers included blowing through walls to make entry and to go from room to room if there was no concern with injury to any occupants.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Cause he may have seeded the place with traps/bombs.

Ah, that makes sense. Hadn't even considered that.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

CNN: Police say they retrieved 18 firearms, explosives, and several thousand rounds of ammunition from shooter's home.

 

[Brad69]

You can lay a claymore face down on a roof to make a grand entrance!