All Live Nation venues are metal detector at entrance now

[w_ADAM_d88]

Bump... is this still the case? Metal detectors waved over everyone? Headed to a concert up at Klipsch Friday night and wondering what I can get away with?

 

[MCgrease08]

Bump... is this still the case? Metal detectors waved over everyone? Headed to a concert up at Klipsch Friday night and wondering what I can get away with?

Klipsch uses wands not full metal detector.

I usually bring a ball cap or boonie hat and stick all my metal objects in the hat and roll everything up inside. Then when it's time for the wand, I just hold my arms up above my head, hat in hand. They have never once checked what's inside the hat or brought the wand up that high.

Would probably work to get something like an LCP or Shield inside if one were so inclined.

 

[Trigger Time]

Klipsch uses wands not full metal detector.

I usually bring a ball cap or boonie hat and stick all my metal objects in the hat and roll everything up inside. Then when it's time for the wand, I just hold my arms up above my head, hat in hand. They have never once checked what's inside the hat or brought the wand up that high.

Would probably work to get something like an LCP or Shield inside if one were so inclined.

That's because they've never been properly trained and EXACTLY why I've showed many people now to get in there and some local venues in Indy.
We need to stop posting the ways on ingo though. Not picking on you brother. There was a member here a while back that worked at deer creek (I'll call,it that till I die) and I'm sure he wasn't the only one and if they have any security manager worth his salt hes checking local forums via search engine for this stuff.

 

[hoosierdoc]

I saw The thread title and thought "duh, I posted about this a while ago"

 

[russc2542]

I did a short stint one summer working a metal detector in an industrial environment. Metal detectors are pretty much unsuitable for scanning people. If you adjust the sensitivity to detect any metal then everyone will set it off and have to be hand searched or wanded. If you crank the sensitivity down so that most people can walk through without setting it off then you would be totally amazed at how much metal people can carry through one and not set it off. These machines are complete theatre and as said - do nothing but create long lines. Junk science for dumb people who feel like they have to "do something" and just an easy way for the manufacturers to make money selling the machines. Especially when the machines are mandated by Congress where the two members who introduced the legislation just happen to own the factory who builds the machine (fact - look it up). I think the only way to have total control is if EVERYBODY gets strip searched EVERY time. And I would not live in a country that allowed that. But most Democrats would. Any time I see a metal detector at an entrance I just turn around and leave.

Funny story, back in high school, went on a trip to DC with the boy scouts. Went on a tour of the capital building but forgot about a 2" folding knife in my pocket but didn't trigger the metal detectors. Meanwhile the scoutmaster set them off with the button on his hat, belt buckle, jeans rivets, and shoelace eyelets. We went through at least half a dozen metal detectors that day and at each one we spent as much time watching him go through, take something off, go through again, take something off, go through again, take something off, get wanded, turn his pockets out, get patted down, then finally be allowed to continue. I'm pretty sure if we weren't all in uniforms or BSA logo'd wear, he'd have been taken off for cavity searches, poor guy.

Armed with what, big arms, batons, mace.

and paid all of $8/hr

 

[MCgrease08]

We need to stop posting the ways on ingo though. Not picking on you brother. There was a member here a while back that worked at deer creek (I'll call,it that till I die) and I'm sure he wasn't the only one and if they have any security manager worth his salt hes checking local forums via search engine for this stuff.

I had the same thought and even debated whether I should post the technique or not.

Funny story about that venue though. At one concert earlier this year a chick in front of me set off the wand when they ran it over her chest. She tried to claim it was an under wire bra, but security told her that wouldn't be strong enough to set it off and they warned her they were going to call over a female deputy to pat her down if she didn't give up what she'd stashed in her cleavage.

It turned out to be a couple of blunts. The foil from the wrapper was enough to set off the wand.

 

[dung]

I love how Live Nation was started to combat the horse **** that ticketmaster had become......so much for that working out.

 

[grunt soldier]

I had the same thought and even debated whether I should post the technique or not.

Funny story about that venue though. At one concert earlier this year a chick in front of me set off the wand when they ran it over her chest. She tried to claim it was an under wire bra, but security told her that wouldn't be strong enough to set it off and they warned her they were going to call over a female deputy to pat her down if she didn't give up what she'd stashed in her cleavage.

It turned out to be a couple of blunts. The foil from the wrapper was enough to set off the wand.

Deputy's and cops don't participate at all in the wanding process. We are only there to enforce actual laws and criminally trespass folks that get kicked out. They have their own personal security that does all searching and bringing of people to the back holding area for us.

 

[MCgrease08]

Deputy's and cops don't participate at all in the wanding process. We are only there to enforce actual laws and criminally trespass folks that get kicked out. They have their own personal security that does all searching and bringing of people to the back holding area for us.

Thanks for that clarification. Clearly this chick thought it was a possibility that she'd have to meet with a deputy because she gave up the goods real quick after that.

They still let her in the venue once she did.

 

[Trigger Time]

Thanks for that clarification. Clearly this chick thought it was a possibility that she'd have to meet with a deputy because she gave up the goods real quick after that.

They still let her in the venue once she did.

And they smoked her weed themselves lol

 

[Lex Concord]

Klipsch uses wands not full metal detector.

I usually bring a ball cap or boonie hat and stick all my metal objects in the hat and roll everything up inside. Then when it's time for the wand, I just hold my arms up above my head, hat in hand. They have never once checked what's inside the hat or brought the wand up that high.

Would probably work to get something like an LCP or Shield inside if one were so inclined.

I was at Klipsch just a week ago. They had me place everything on a table while they wanded me... took a brief interest in my flashlight... didn't notice the folder wrapped in my wallet or my SOG "key"... I think they may have been reading here

Two weeks prior, I was at Old National... full on walk through detectors... but everything from pocket into basket... never looked through the basket... my wife handed her purse to the lady at the checkpoint... they never looked inside.

 

[Lex Concord]

And they smoked her weed themselves lol

Seems pretty likely.

 

[russc2542]

Another funny story of security, father-in-law is a teacher, he was speaking at the school's HS graudation at the university arena we we went with of course. No detectors but purse checks and observation. I didn't get a second glance with a leatherman on my belt. Wife didn't get hassled for a leatherman in her purse. Sis-in-law was made to take a camera mini-tripod back to the car. Priorities! Security there was college students making minimum wage.

 

[BobDaniels]

I had the same thought and even debated whether I should post the technique or not.

Funny story about that venue though. At one concert earlier this year a chick in front of me set off the wand when they ran it over her chest. She tried to claim it was an under wire bra, but security told her that wouldn't be strong enough to set it off and they warned her they were going to call over a female deputy to pat her down if she didn't give up what she'd stashed in her cleavage.

It turned out to be a couple of blunts. The foil from the wrapper was enough to set off the wand.

Proof that intimidation and scare tactics work. Always call their bluff.

 

[w_ADAM_d88]

Thanks y'all! I was able to get a knife and LCP in, but they made me throw away my can opener on my key ring.

 

[Trigger Time]

Thanks y'all! I was able to get a knife and LCP in, but they made me throw away my can opener on my key ring.

Lmfao. The rules of these places are just priceless bafoonery

 

[BigRed]

Not trying to resurrect a dead thread, but did not want to start a new one for a topic that has already been covered.

I wish I had seen this thread before last weekend.

My wife and I went to the Murat in Indianapolis to see Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit. It's been a while since I had been there and did not expect to be disarmed in order to attend the event (for my own safety of course).

So after getting to the venue, I took the firearms my wife and I had and hiked back to the truck to stow them away.... so that I could walk back to the venue unarmed for the show and so that we could walk back to the truck afterwards unarmed.

Absolutely infuriating.

I had some words with the clown there working "security" and asked if we was going to give us an armed escort back to the truck after the show.... the clown stared at my like a deer in the headlights and a whistling wind between his ears.

I took the "experience survey" Live Nation emailed me on after the show as an opportunity to share my thoughts. I doubt they read it... the survey seemed more interested in whether or not I like to eat at Taco Bell before or after a concert.

I went ahead and wrote a letter to Live Nation and dropped it in the mail yesterday.

I doubt much will come from it, other than I will not be attending any Live Nation events in the future.

What a crock of crap.

 

[LP1]

While I don't condone this type of security theater, I don't understand the need to express frustration to the security "guards". They're just getting a crappy wage to do a crappy job. Unloading on them will at best lead to them mentioning "some people are complaining about being disarmed" to a supervisor who will then shrug his/her shoulders, and at worst it can make an already unpleasant situation even worse. Sending a complaint letter or email to the venue's management has a better chance of having a positive effect.

Unfortunately, nobody in event management is going to stick their neck out to make it easier for us to carry. Imagine the manager who suggests ending the security theater - they will probably get laughed out of the meeting. Even if they succeed and change the policy, it entails a lot of personal risk - if something bad happens, that person is out of a job and will probably never find work in event management again. Would you risk your job to allow a stranger to carry a gun?

I'd like to see legislation requiring that events which are open to the public must allow legal possession of firearms, but there are a lot of property-rights advocates who resist that approach.

My approach is to be more selective with my attendance at such venues. I don't like to encourage policies I disagree with, but I'm also not going to miss out on something just because of the minute risk of being unarmed. If I think that the risk is that great, I'll avoid the situation.

 

[GNRPowdeR]

Visit my Indy Fuel thread for some more interesting reading... I actually made it to the Director of Security for the Fair Grounds and we had a fun "chat"...

 

[LP1]

Visit my Indy Fuel thread for some more interesting reading... I actually made it to the Director of Security for the Fair Grounds and we had a fun "chat"...

I applaud your efforts. But we know what the results were. And if every INGOer called that number (couldn't read it due to the strikethrough ), I don't see them changing the policy.

What do you think would happen to the Fuel or Colts if every LTCH holder boycotted their games and their merchandise? Nothing.