Another "victimless crime"

[Woobie]

Kids do belong to the State, no joke. We all do.

And if you don't think that's the case, just stop paying your membership fees or your rent. See what happens next.

 

[churchmouse]

The latest to end their prohibition was Portrugal, I believe. They saw little to no increase in users. I don't know why it would be different here.

The price of drugs is massively inflated by the supply restriction and the expensive supply chain apparatus. There won't be a need to go to extremes to pay for what you can easily afford. We don't have a massive problem with alcoholics killing old people and stealing their brandy for a fix, because they can get what they need inexpensively through legitimate sources. I don't agree with it, and I think being drunk is a sin. But we tried to stop drinking once in this country too.

I sympathize with not wanting to buy drugs as a taxpayer. And I agree we shouldn't. But in a practical sense, it will still be cheaper than what we are doing now. We are not just providing drugs, but full health care to hundreds of thousands behind bars right now for drug offenses. I'm sure you don't like that any more than I do. I also don't like my tax dollars funding a war that props up murderous cartels. If that money must be spent, I'd rather it go to treatment than making a murderer rich.

Well said. And you make a good argument but this is not Portugal by a long shot. I would hope to be dead wrong in my thoughts on this but my lifes experience says otherwise.

Yes, we are loosing the war and as with all the wars we fight it is a money pit. Follow the money Always follow the money.

Those funds could be used in other places or just pay down the debt.

 

[Ceruleanblue]

The cemeteries and prisons should be filled up with people with drug offenses.Deal in death and risk execution. Drug offenses such as felony drug dealing should result in death penalty or if mitigating circumstances severe long term sentencing with hard labor, such as chain gangs, so much so that people will not risk dealing in drugs. Those manufacturing meth or other drugs should receive death penalty as they cause death, albeit a slow one. The borders should be sealed tight and the tens of billions of dollars giving out to foreign countries such as Isreal, Egypt etc should be spent here instead and used to hire enough port inspectors to and terminal inspectors to help keep out these poisons that destroy countless families. I have seen countless drug related deaths and heartbroken family members over the years. I have seen dealers caught and back on the street in little time. These measure may seem sharp but cut out the drugs and the related homicides, robberies, gang activity, burglaries will drop substantially.

 

[poptab]

We should execute speeders on the spot.

amiright?
Speeding isnt a victimless crime.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

I'm anxious to see what INGO is like after you guys abolish alcohol and the rest of the poisons!

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

abolish alcohol

Oh hell no.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

The cemeteries and prisons should be filled up with people with drug offenses.Deal in death and risk execution. Drug offenses such as felony drug dealing should result in death penalty or if mitigating circumstances severe long term sentencing with hard labor, such as chain gangs, so much so that people will not risk dealing in drugs. Those manufacturing meth or other drugs should receive death penalty as they cause death, albeit a slow one. The borders should be sealed tight and the tens of billions of dollars giving out to foreign countries such as Isreal, Egypt etc should be spent here instead and used to hire enough port inspectors to and terminal inspectors to help keep out these poisons that destroy countless families. I have seen countless drug related deaths and heartbroken family members over the years. I have seen dealers caught and back on the street in little time. These measure may seem sharp but cut out the drugs and the related homicides, robberies, gang activity, burglaries will drop substantially.

Well thats an extreme response. Welcome to INGO.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

We should execute speeders on the spot.

amiright?
Speeding isnt a victimless crime.

You forgot patronizers of prostitutes.

 

[rob63]

This is somewhat off topic, but given where the discussion has gone I'm not sure it matters. Written by a doctor that works at a hospital in Fishers, it talks about the heroin epidemic and how it often starts with prescription pain killers.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/when-lion-kills-your-child-louis-m-profeta-md

 

[Trigger Time]

The cemeteries and prisons should be filled up with people with drug offenses.Deal in death and risk execution. Drug offenses such as felony drug dealing should result in death penalty or if mitigating circumstances severe long term sentencing with hard labor, such as chain gangs, so much so that people will not risk dealing in drugs. Those manufacturing meth or other drugs should receive death penalty as they cause death, albeit a slow one. The borders should be sealed tight and the tens of billions of dollars giving out to foreign countries such as Isreal, Egypt etc should be spent here instead and used to hire enough port inspectors to and terminal inspectors to help keep out these poisons that destroy countless families. I have seen countless drug related deaths and heartbroken family members over the years. I have seen dealers caught and back on the street in little time. These measure may seem sharp but cut out the drugs and the related homicides, robberies, gang activity, burglaries will drop substantially.

Also those that gyrate their hips and sing that rock n roll sound

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Oh hell no.

I wonder what the statistics are for traffic accidents (fatal and non-fatal), and domestic violence for alcohol users vs. illicit drug users. My guess is that the numbers for alcohol are higher.

 

[Woobie]

This is somewhat off topic, but given where the discussion has gone I'm not sure it matters. Written by a doctor that works at a hospital in Fishers, it talks about the heroin epidemic and how it often starts with prescription pain killers.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/when-lion-kills-your-child-louis-m-profeta-md

Well, apparently we need to start executing doctors.

 

[Doug]

I noticed the part where the emergency room patient said, “Doc, write my Percocet or I’m buying it on the street and my death will be on your hands.”

I am tired of all the tantrums by these tedious little trifles; they are children in adult bodies. Either make them wards of the state, since they aren't adult enough to handle their own affairs, or let them kill themselves.

 

[Woobie]

The cemeteries and prisons should be filled up with people with drug offenses.Deal in death and risk execution. Drug offenses such as felony drug dealing should result in death penalty or if mitigating circumstances severe long term sentencing with hard labor, such as chain gangs, so much so that people will not risk dealing in drugs. Those manufacturing meth or other drugs should receive death penalty as they cause death, albeit a slow one. The borders should be sealed tight and the tens of billions of dollars giving out to foreign countries such as Isreal, Egypt etc should be spent here instead and used to hire enough port inspectors to and terminal inspectors to help keep out these poisons that destroy countless families. I have seen countless drug related deaths and heartbroken family members over the years. I have seen dealers caught and back on the street in little time. These measure may seem sharp but cut out the drugs and the related homicides, robberies, gang activity, burglaries will drop substantially.

I completely disagree, but you present the only workable alternative to my position. This is how Thailand got rid of its meth problem, by making use a capitol offense. All the addicts (and it was a huge percentage of the country, since it was a common method of boosting productivity) either quit or were killed off.

I for one am not down with an American genocide, but YMMV.

We are nearing the divergence of two roads here in the yellow wood. The one we have been traveling eventually leads to your logical end. I propose we take the road less traveled by, I'm confident it will in time make all the difference.

 

[Woobie]

Well said. And you make a good argument but this is not Portugal by a long shot. I would hope to be dead wrong in my thoughts on this but my lifes experience says otherwise.

Yes, we are loosing the war and as with all the wars we fight it is a money pit. Follow the money Always follow the money.

Those funds could be used in other places or just pay down the debt.

We could find a lot of good things to do with the money.

At the risk of injuring my own argument, the "we are not Portrugal" fact does give me pause.

 

[churchmouse]

I'm anxious to see what INGO is like after you guys abolish alcohol and the rest of the poisons!

Not looking to abolish anything actually.
I just want this epidemic of stupid the end.

If all the Krack/Meth/Heroin were to disappear the idiots would find an alternative.

 

[churchmouse]

I noticed the part where the emergency room patient said, “Doc, write my Percocet or I’m buying it on the street and my death will be on your hands.”

I am tired of all the tantrums by these tedious little trifles; they are children in adult bodies. Either make them wards of the state, since they aren't adult enough to handle their own affairs, or let them kill themselves.

If we opt for the latter they need to be away from anyone else they may harm from this idiocy.

 

[churchmouse]

We could find a lot of good things to do with the money.

At the risk of injuring my own argument, the "we are not Portrugal" fact does give me pause.

Our arguments/opinions tend to be modified as these discussion proceed. That is why we enter into these so a common ground path to get this fixed might be found.

I am pretty set in my ways towards alcohol and drug based stupidity due to the impact it has had on my life. I see it for what it is.

 

[Vigilant]

Also those that gyrate their hips and sing that rock n roll sound

Dont make me go straight Kevin Bacon Footloose on yo' ass!

 

[littletommy]

Also those that gyrate their hips and sing that rock n roll sound

That's a double edged sword, though, just think how many pills Elvis kept off the streets of Memphis! Look what that place has become since he died.