Another "victimless crime"

[churchmouse]

There are many things we do out of compassion. The various government programs, I believe, were mostly done out of compassion so that little old ladies didn't freeze to death in their homes and that little kids don't starve to death because their parents can't afford rent and food. But we're living with the unintended consequences of those good intentions. Throwing money at people through a undiscerning, un-caring, money skimming, government filter, I believe largely, is a curse.

Oh I totally agree with this of course.

It is the religious side track that is an interesting turn but the way it was brought into the discussion fits.
I just hope it stays on track.

 

[Alpo]

Actually, "work or die" isn't there at all. If you find a Christian sect that feels that it is written in the NT in that manner, runaway.

 

[ATM]

I heard there was a rabbit hole around here.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Until we adopt the biblical policy of if you don't work, you don't eat will we see much of a decline of this problem. As long as the welfare state is in place, this will continue.

Actually, "work or die" isn't there at all. If you find a Christian sect that feels that it is written in the NT in that manner, runaway.

Except that's not what I said. See above. God is the ultimate libertarian. He established the rules of the universe and of this earth. He gives us the choice of living by His rules and (until the welfare state came along) reap the consequences of your choices. But because we live in a fallen world, sometimes bad things happen to people that didn't deserve it. One group we are obligated to help and the other, hopefully, will come to see the folly of their decisions and make new and better choices to remove themselves from the circumstances in which they put themselves. It's a waste of time, money, and other resources to force help on them until they're ready to make the changes necessary.

 

[churchmouse]

I heard there was a rabbit hole around here.

Yeah there are a few spread out around the Forum.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Yeah there are a few spread out around the Forum.

I think I saw one trying to melt steel with carrot juice earlier.

 

[Woobie]

Except that's not what I said. See above. God is the ultimate libertarian. He established the rules of the universe and of this earth. He gives us the choice of living by His rules and (until the welfare state came along) reap the consequences of your choices. But because we live in a fallen world, sometimes bad things happen to people that didn't deserve it. One group we are obligated to help and the other, hopefully, will come to see the folly of their decisions and make new and better choices to remove themselves from the circumstances in which they put themselves. It's a waste of time, money, and other resources to force help on them until they're ready to make the changes necessary.

Agreed on all points. God was into liberty before it was cool.

Apparently it still isn't among many. I still want to see a good argument for making what I am supposed to be doing as an individual a matter of public policy through confiscation.

 

[Woobie]

I think I saw one trying to melt steel with carrot juice earlier.

Ever had straight carrot juice? I wouldn't rule it out as a tool to bring down sky scrapers.

 

[churchmouse]

Ever had straight carrot juice? I wouldn't rule it out as a tool to bring down sky scrapers.

Awe geez woobie.............now we are all in for it.

 

[Woobie]

Awe geez woobie.............now we are all in for it.

Seriously? You can't hang that on me. GFGT started it, I just played along.

 

[churchmouse]

Seriously? You can't hang that on me. GFGT started it, I just played along.

ATM is gonna sniff this out for sure

 

[Woobie]

ATM is gonna sniff this out for sure

He's lurking. Just gotta get enough chum in the water.

 

[ATM]

I generally wait to see what the chum attracts.

I don't hunt chum.

 

[Woobie]

I generally wait to see what the chum attracts.

I don't hunt chum.

Even so, at the most basic level, it's still a matter of chum, chum.

 

[ATM]

Even so, at the most basic level, it's still a matter of chum, chum.

2 chums up.

 

[churchmouse]

 

[Alpo]

Agreed on all points. God was into liberty before it was cool.

Apparently it still isn't among many. I still want to see a good argument for making what I am supposed to be doing as an individual a matter of public policy through confiscation.

You are arguing the rightness of the 16th Amendment while I am acknowledging infinity and the immortal soul.

I send you back to the citations I've enumerated above from the Bible.

 

[poptab]

Not sure what aplo is getting at?

Did someone bring up the 16th amendment?

 

[Woobie]

You are arguing the rightness of the 16th Amendment while I am acknowledging infinity and the immortal soul.

I send you back to the citations I've enumerated above from the Bible.

What's your point, Alpo? I've asked you two different ways, we'll call this a third.

Jesus wants his disciples to care for the poor. That is blatantly obvious. Next you're going to tell me it's dark outside in Indiana.

 

[Woobie]

Not sure what aplo is getting at?

Did someone bring up the 16th amendment?

No. He fancies himself an apprentice of ATM, but he's doing it all wrong.