AR Essentials

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I have 2 of the Sparc AR red dot on a couple guns. For the money I think they are a beat buy. PSA was running a deal recently, Sparc AR plus 10 Pmags for $200.

The holosuns seem OK as well. But I haven’t run one very much.

Back on topic. Trigger and sights and Sling of some sort.

 

[breakingcontact]

Ight y'all, just keeping everyone updated with a few more questions. I've decided to save some cash, and just enhance my AR pistol. I ordered a longer hand guard today, and will probably order a polished trigger later this week. I've got backup irons already, and will start looking at a light and glass to complete my rig. Is anyone running a Sparc AR 2? They're cheap, and look to be very practical. What light is everyone on their shorter rifles? Also, does anyone run contoured pistol grips on their guns? For whatever reason, the magpul grip I currently have on it is bugging me, and I'm considering trying one.

You can get a single mode Surefire and a VTAC mount for less than $100.

 

[Vigilant]

Ok, y'all might be saving my ass here. I did not know about this stuff. I have a Noveske pig style device on the end, so I'm sitting at 28" with my SB PDW brace collapsed. One complaint I had was the handguard being short, but since I've put the pig wannabe on, I could easily order and throw on a 12" handguard for more space.

EDIT: Welp, looks like it's still no dice on the foregrip. The muzzle device doesn't count into the overall length unless it's pinned or welded, or both, which it is not. I'm back under 26"

Ok as far as OAL, if you ar 28” collapsed, you are OVER 26” Extended(which is how it’s measured, OAL totally extended to end of barrel, so unless you have a huge muzzle device, you should still be over 26”, extend your brace all the way out, and measure to the beginning of the muzzle device).

 

[charley59]

AR15 absolute must: (1) I prefer a F marked front sight base. Otherwise, good iron sights on the gun. And the MBUS are acceptable. (2) Comfortable stock. The A2 is good and there are many aftermarket stocks that work well. (2) Handguard must be comfortable and capable of handling any accessories you may chose to add later. (3) Good fire control group. Most milspec (stock) triggers are not good, but on occasion, you may find one that is better than average. I use Geissele, but I imagine any aftermarket fire control group would be an improvement over stock.

 

[A 7.62 Exodus]

For a budget optic I really like the holosun. The sparc is good but the battery life on the holosun is what did it for me. Down side to the holosun is the mount. I replaced it with an American Defense Mount. You might have been with me when I zeroed it in?

Yeah, I was with you. I remember for whatever reason it was a pain to get dailed in. Haha

 

[A 7.62 Exodus]

Ok as far as OAL, if you ar 28” collapsed, you are OVER 26” Extended(which is how it’s measured, OAL totally extended to end of barrel, so unless you have a huge muzzle device, you should still be over 26”, extend your brace all the way out, and measure to the beginning of the muzzle device).

Can you hit me with a source on this? I was under the impression it was to the end of the buffer tube.

 

[Vigilant]

Can you hit me with a source on this? I was under the impression it was to the end of the buffer tube.

Upon further review, I guess they are measuring AR pistols with collapsing braces differently? Disregard previous transmissions until I can clarify.

 

[Hohn]

Measured with adjustable stuff at full length, just like rifle, AFAIK.

 

[Vigilant]

Measured with adjustable stuff at full length, just like rifle, AFAIK.

That’s what I was given to believe, but the errorweb says FTB is measuring pistols from the end of the receiver extension?

 

[genXer]

I run a holosun on my AR "firearm", I've been happy with it and it's always held zero. Not sure if it matters but it's the circle-dot solar/battery model, can't remember the model number at the moment.

As for the OAL, it's changed from end of the buffer tube to end of extended brace and back to end of buffer too many times to know what it is this week lol! When I put mine together I just went with end of buffer tube to end of barrel threads, figured that would be a safe bet measurement so I didn't have to worry about the measuring rules changing. Went with an 11.5 inch barrel and wound up at 26.5 inches from end of buffer tube to the end of the barrel threads.

 

[JJFII]

I run a holosun on my AR "firearm", I've been happy with it and it's always held zero. Not sure if it matters but it's the circle-dot solar/battery model, can't remember the model number at the moment.

As for the OAL, it's changed from end of the buffer tube to end of extended brace and back to end of buffer too many times to know what it is this week lol! When I put mine together I just went with end of buffer tube to end of barrel threads, figured that would be a safe bet measurement so I didn't have to worry about the measuring rules changing. Went with an 11.5 inch barrel and wound up at 26.5 inches from end of buffer tube to the end of the barrel threads.

why use a Pistol brace? If you have the stamp to add a VFG, you should be able to put an actual stock on it, or am I missing something?

 

[genXer]

why use a Pistol brace? If you have the stamp to add a VFG, you should be able to put an actual stock on it, or am I missing something?

No stamp on it. It's OAL is over 26 inches which allows the use of the VFG without a stamp.

 

[JJFII]

No stamp on it. It's OAL is over 26 inches which allows the use of the VFG without a stamp.

I'm not a big NFA guy so I really dont know the rules. I thought all pistols with two grips required a stamp, I didnt realize there was a OAL requirement. Thanks.

 

[Vigilant]

I'm not a big NFA guy so I really dont know the rules. I thought all pistols with two grips required a stamp, I didnt realize there was a OAL requirement. Thanks.

At an OAL of 26" it is no longer considered a pistol, it becomes a "firearm" the same as the TAC-14 and Shockwave.

 

[firefighterjohn]

Also, does anyone run contoured pistol grips on their guns? For whatever reason, the magpul grip I currently have on it is bugging me, and I'm considering trying one.

I really like the Hogue AR grip; it fits great in my hand and real easy to actually hold muzzle down one-handed if needed. Also have a BCM grip on another and like the grip angle. Wish I could find a hybrid of the two...

 

[Hop]

I really like the Hogue AR grip; it fits great in my hand and real easy to actually hold muzzle down one-handed if needed. Also have a BCM grip on another and like the grip angle. Wish I could find a hybrid of the two...

Maybe try the Daniel Defense grip.

I like the Hogue but it's sticky & grabs onto everything it touches. I have one on my 458 SOCOM. It doesn't work well for a slung defensive rifle though. Try it at a carbine class & you'll see what I mean.

 

[firefighterjohn]

Maybe try the Daniel Defense grip.

I like the Hogue but it's sticky & grabs onto everything it touches. I have one on my 458 SOCOM. It doesn't work well for a slung defensive rifle though. Try it at a carbine class & you'll see what I mean.

Ya, it does get a little tacky. I'll take a look at the DD grip, Thanks!

 

[firefighterjohn]

I run a holosun on my AR "firearm", I've been happy with it and it's always held zero. Not sure if it matters but it's the circle-dot solar/battery model, can't remember the model number at the moment.

As for the OAL, it's changed from end of the buffer tube to end of extended brace and back to end of buffer too many times to know what it is this week lol! When I put mine together I just went with end of buffer tube to end of barrel threads, figured that would be a safe bet measurement so I didn't have to worry about the measuring rules changing. Went with an 11.5 inch barrel and wound up at 26.5 inches from end of buffer tube to the end of the barrel threads.

Very nice setup. Was the MWI floating handguard easy to install?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Ya, it does get a little tacky. I'll take a look at the DD grip, Thanks!

Emery cloth and Johnson's Floor Wax.

I mean, I've heard that is what the old guys do to Hogue grips/stocks. I mean, you know how those old guys are, probably like revolvers too, amirite?

 

[firefighterjohn]

Emery cloth and Johnson's Floor Wax.

I mean, I've heard that is what the old guys do to Hogue grips/stocks. I mean, you know how those old guys are, probably like revolvers too, amirite?

Thanks for the work around. Oh yeah, spot on, there's nothing like the sound of a finally tuned clicking cylinder/hammer preparing to fall!