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    November 22, 2009
    Oil's Expanding Frontiers

    By George Will

    WASHINGTON -- What city contributed most to the making of the modern world? The Paris of the Enlightenment and then of Napoleon, pioneer of mass armies and nationalist statism? London, seat of parliamentary democracy and center of finance? Or perhaps Titusville, Pa.
    Oil seeping from the ground there was collected for medicinal purposes -- until Edwin Drake drilled and 150 years ago -- Aug. 27, 1859 -- found the basis of our world, 69 feet below the surface of Pennsylvania, which oil historian Daniel Yergin calls "the Saudi Arabia of 19th-century oil."

    For many years, most oil was used for lighting and lubrication, and the amounts extracted were modest. Then in 1901, a new well named for an East Texas hillock, Spindletop, began gushing more per day than all other U.S. wells combined.
    Since then, America has exhausted its hydrocarbon supplies. Repeatedly.
    In 1914, the Bureau of Mines said U.S. oil reserves would be exhausted by 1924. In 1939, the Interior Department said the world had 13 years worth of petroleum reserves. Then a global war was fought and the postwar boom was fueled, and in 1951 Interior reported that the world had ... 13 years of reserves. In 1970, the world's proven oil reserves were an estimated 612 billion barrels. By 2006, more than 767 billion barrels had been pumped and proven reserves were 1.2 trillion barrels. In 1977, Scold in Chief Jimmy Carter predicted that mankind "could use up all the proven reserves of oil in the entire world by the end of the next decade." Since then the world has consumed three times more oil than was then in the world's proven reserves.
    But surely now America can quickly wean itself from hydrocarbons, adopting alternative energies -- wind, solar, nuclear? No.
    Keith O. Rattie, CEO of Questar Corporation, a natural gas and pipeline company, says that by 2050 there may be 10 billion people demanding energy -- a daunting prospect, considering that of today's 6.2 billion people, nearly 2 billion "don't even have electricity -- never flipped a light switch." Rattie says energy demand will grow 30 percent to 50 percent in the next 20 years and there are no near-term alternatives to fossil fuels.
    Today, wind and solar power combined are just one-sixth of 1 percent of American energy consumption. Nuclear? The United States and other rich nations endorse reducing world carbon emissions 80 percent by 2050. But Oliver Morton, a science writer, says that if nuclear is to supply even just 10 percent of the necessary carbon-free energy, the world must build more than 50 large nuclear power plants a year. Currently five a year are being built. Rattie says that as part of "a worldwide building boom in coal-fired power plants," about 30 under construction in America "will burn about 70 million tons of coal a year."
    Edward L. Morse, an energy official in Carter's State Department, writes in Foreign Affairs that the world's deep-water oil and gas reserves are significantly larger than was thought just a decade ago, and high prices have spurred development of technologies -- a drilling vessel can cost $1 billion -- for extracting them. The costs of developing oil sands -- Canada may contain more oil than Saudi Arabia has -- are declining, so projects that last year were not economic with the price of oil under $90 a barrel are now viable with oil at $79 a barrel.
    Morse says new technologies are also speeding development of natural gas trapped in U.S. shale rock. The Marcellus Shale, which stretches from West Virginia through Pennsylvania and into New York, "may contain as much natural gas as the North Field in Qatar, the largest field ever discovered."
    Rattie says U.S. known reserves of natural gas, which are sure to become larger, exceed 100 years of supply at the current rate of consumption. BP recently announced a "giant" oil discovery beneath the Gulf of Mexico. Yergin, writing in Foreign Policy, says "careful examination of the world's resource base ... indicates that the resource endowment of the planet is sufficient to keep up with demand for decades to come."
    Such good news horrifies people who relish scarcity because it requires -- or so they say -- government to ration what is scarce and to generally boss people to mend their behavior: "This is the police!" Put down that incandescent bulb and step away from the lamp!"
    Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism.

    Hey Al Gore....
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    Fletch

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    We are running out of oil. This is a certainty. What is not certain is how fast we are running out of it.

    If you take a cup of water out of a bucket, over and over again, you will eventually empty the bucket. The problem we have is that we only know how much we're taking out, and can only guess at the size of the container we're draining. Is it a bucket? A swimming pool? A lake? An ocean?

    Every time around the bend, we seem to find more. Some of it is out of reach, but we keep figuring out how to make it more accessible. This won't go on forever, of course, but it is conceivable that it will last several more generations. I once worked for a natural gas pipeline whose proven reserves they had calculated would last until at least 2050, and they were still exploring for more.
     

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    The free market is a great driver of technology. As the demand for oil has gone up the price has risen and oil that was not cost effective to use then, now is. I remember the 70s with all the dire predictions about the 90s with no oil and something akin to the ice age in progress.

    Didn't happen. Now all we have to show for that time is a bureaucratic brontosaurus called the DOE.

    Ten years after the 90s we are now told that we should abandon coal, our largest domestic source of energy, and move to much more expensive and less reliable generation technology. We are told that now instead of an ice age we will see a global meltdown.

    I wonder what we will have to show for this in 2030. I may yet live to see it, but I would imagine that it will be a lower standard of living, another government program, and a new crisis.:rolleyes:
     

    indykid

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    Unfortunately with a bucket of water, if you are out doors, eventually it rains and refills the bucket. I have read about many wells that were at one time "dry" that suddenly have more oil in them. Easier to think that the earth has stopped producing oil than it is to admit that man has no idea how reality works.
     

    Boilers

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    I think simple economics applied will tell us that we will never run out of anything.
    The more demand there is, the higher the price will be, and some people will not be able to afford it. The less supply there is, the more demand there will be, and each successive quantity remaining will keep going up in price.

    That is if there is NO SUBSTITUTE. Since there are substitutes for many of the uses of petroleum, the price will rise to a point where the substitute can and will compete. Then the same economic factors that allowed petroleum to reign supreme could be transferred to this substitute, and likewise its own eventual downfall and replacement.

    Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
     
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    This is what makes alternative energy research (and although I'll be labeled a kook for saying so) space flight research so important.

    Eventually, even if we don't entirely run out, the demand for refined petroleum will outstrip our ability to produce it. Alternative fuels will help fill in the gap, and our ability to mine fuels from extraterrestrial sources (Saturn's moon Titan is covered in pools of hydrocarbons) will significantly increase available supplies.
     

    Disposable Heart

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    We are running out, simple fact. Yes, the Earth continues to make more and we try to assure our selves that there simply more and more sources of oil while the Earth makes more, but those sources are running out or are too small for sustained drilling (for any considerable duration). It takes too long to replenish oil reserves at the rate we are hogging it up.
     

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    While I dislike the liberal/democrat stance on oil usage and the restrictions placed on domestic drilling...down the road, we may thank them.

    Could it possibly be that they don't want to use up our reserves yet? Let's deplete all of the other sources of oil, so that once the demand goes up and the supplies are limited, that then the Unites States will have a monopoly on this resource and gives us unsurpassed power? I really don't think that is their agenda, but it just may be an unintended benefit of it.
     

    Boilers

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    We are not nor we ever will 'run out'. Who will be standing by to use the last gallon? For WHAT purpose? The last gallon of crude oil won't be worth sucking out of the ground. Just like oil wells have gotten capped and abandoned at various times, so will these. Because the oil will not be worth getting out of the ground; perhaps with new techniques even.
     

    indykid

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    I totally agree with ATFConsumer. Let's use up the Arab oil first, then when we start taking our own out of the ground, they will have to come begging to us for a change.

    The question is, with all the zillion barrels of middle east oil removed, I can't believe they still maintain their capacity!
     

    IndyGunworks

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    We are not nor we ever will 'run out'. Who will be standing by to use the last gallon? For WHAT purpose? The last gallon of crude oil won't be worth sucking out of the ground. Just like oil wells have gotten capped and abandoned at various times, so will these. Because the oil will not be worth getting out of the ground; perhaps with new techniques even.


    you are arguing a MOOT point... you are right, we will never technically be 100 percent OUT, because nobody is going to go into the wells and scrape the subterranean caves dry with a squeegee.... that doesnt play into the fact of the actual argument of USABLE petroleum...

    Its all a word game....
     

    Boilers

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    But the threshold to when we find no incentive to get it out of the ground even with a HUGE reserve has been crossed before. And will be crossed again, due to market forces. We will leave millions or billions of gallons or barrels in the ground. Because the alternatives will be more economically attractive. So, it's not moot. It won't be zero gallons. It will be whatever market forces dictate is not worth getting out.

    By ANY measure we will NEVER run OUT.
     

    SavageEagle

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    Well, I'm with MyGlockRocks on this whole subject. If we don't start figuring out how to explore space, we're screwed anyway. There are more resources on other nearby planets that could sustain mankind for millenniums to come. Just like Titan and many other planets floating around, there are vast untapped resources and I'm thoroughly convinced there are other types of resources that are not available on this planet that can be used as fuel.

    And just think... when we do start space travel, we will be able to harness the power of the sun to beam back to earth to use as power. :thumbsup:

    Although this may be the most important thing we as a race ever do, no body ever wants to talk about it or fund it. Why not? Then oil will be a moot point.
     

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    Petroleum is the most usable and efficient source of power that man has ever know. We are able to refine multiple fuels out of the same barrel of crude. And petroleum based fuels output more energy than any other type of fuel that we have tested thus far.

    When you compare current bio fuels to their crude based cousins we can really see the power of oil. However there companies right now that are working to close that gap. Ethanol is gaining allot of ground, especially switch grass and sugar cane varieties. Bio Diesel is recycling pure and simple, but lack the infrastructure required at this point. There are even people working of genetically modifying certain types of bacteria to consume plant chaff and output a compound very similar to crude oil.

    The wind energy sector is booming right now. Every month I read about more advances. Spars are being built bigger than ever, and the generators are becoming more efficient. Offshore wind farms will make up a huge sector of European energy production in the coming decade. Tidal energy generation is also growing by leaps and bounds. Earlier this year a company went public with a clutch system that allows energy to be generated with both incoming and outgoing tides.

    The transportation industry is investing heavily into efficiency. They are trying to make cars lighter to save fuel, but still keep them safe. They are advancing engine technology to squeeze every last bit of power from the least amount of fuel. Audi has been working for several years on Diesel performance with their R10 and R12 race programs. Audi and GM have introduce Direct Injection to Gas powered vehicles.


    Right now the biggest holds are current technology and government regulation. The composites industry is working very hard to not only drop the price of Carbon Fiber but also to gear up for the demand on the horizon. That is what is needed for wind to become really cost effective, and will also drop fuel consumption for major transportation by leaps and bounds.

    The government is one of the major things holding us back in several sectors. The restriction on building new oil refineries means that oil companies are just repairing and retrofitting old facilities, this translates into less efficiency in the refining process, causing waist, and increased cost. Government Safety regulations means that companies do not always bring out the best technology because of the cost involved in the approval process. Often several generations will be developed before seeking the blessings of the overseers. Environmental regulations regarding animal habitats keep us from exploring viable oil fields and installing wind and tidal energy farms. And that doesn't even touch the involvement of big brother in raising the cost of steel, aluminum, concrete, and labor compounding the problem even further.
     

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    Modern American Liberals said:
    The Earth is running out of oil. If our Congress doesn't pass sweeping new energy laws, like Cap & Trade, the Earth will literally wither up and die. The solution is to let the Government collect outrageous taxes on every drop of oil consumed, limit companies who need resources to operation, allow the Government to have total control of America's resources, and require Government permission for nearly all business decisions necessary to operate & produce goods. We must stomp out all forms of American capitalism and reverse the damage done by American industry and the greedy CEO's who have brought profits to our lands for so many years. The survival of the Earth depends on it. Yes we can. Yes we can.

    ^^^ Not this.
     

    Fletch

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    This article has some interesting things to say about oil, particularly what kind of oil we're all concerned with:

    The first thing to understand about petroleum is this: crude oil is only valuable because it can be made into other things. By itself, petroleum is virtually useless. There's very little call to seal and waterproof wooden galleons or hurl Greek fire at one's opponents. Now, all the products we distill and refine from crude oil – liquefied petroleum gas (LPG or condensate, stuff like propane and butane), gasoline, diesel, kerosene, heating oil, fuel oil, asphalt and coke – can be derived from every grade of crude pumped out of the ground. But not every grade of crude can be refined into the same spread of substances. Without a lot of work, heavier, thicker, higher sulfur grades of petroleum (the bulk of the world's crude oil, including that produced by most OPEC countries) yields very little gasoline, while lighter, low-sulfur crudes yield substantially more gasoline.

    And gasoline, the motor fuel of choice for most of the world's passenger cars, is what matters. The more gasoline you can squeeze out of a barrel of crude, the greater the value of the crude.

    The article also mentions that we have far more sour crude reserves available than anyone in the world wants at the moment. Sour crude can be made into diesel fuel, but it makes really crummy gasoline. Anyone else see an obvious solution, just waiting to be implemented should gasoline become unbearably expensive?
     

    RCB

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    Something I am curious about is how much crude oil comes into being every year.

    There is constantly dead material that is covered over which is converted into petroleum. While I don't have doubt we are outstripping the natural production, I am also certain that oil is not/was not a one time occurrence.

    Things have continually been dying and covered over by fresh earth for as long as creatures have been on it.

    Also, just because we burn it, doesn't mean it disappears, nor does it hover in the air indefinitely. Of course it changes composition and returns to earth through rain and deposit. What happens when it soak back through the earth?
     

    ATF Consumer

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    This article has some interesting things to say about oil, particularly what kind of oil we're all concerned with:



    The article also mentions that we have far more sour crude reserves available than anyone in the world wants at the moment. Sour crude can be made into diesel fuel, but it makes really crummy gasoline. Anyone else see an obvious solution, just waiting to be implemented should gasoline become unbearably expensive?

    Looks like there will be more and more vehicles going toward diesel in the years to come. I see that as a huge benefit, as diesels can run off of a wider array of fuel mixtures than gasoline...many of which are renewable.
     

    Titanium Man

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    I believe this is a long time falacy that oil comes from Dino-Soup, and we're going to run out. Oil is a renewable resource, and is just constantly moving around and shifting, as it is produced, deep in the innards of our earth. Do you think anyone wants us to know that there is lots of oil? Nonsense. Look what happens when it looks like governments or whoever, look into something besides oil for powering our cars or heating our homes, the prices drop, and quite drastically at times. I would bet, the oil fields in Texas, which were said to be depleted, because of high usage in WWII, have plenty of oil beneath them. We're just not getting that info. Yeah, it's a big conspiracy theory, but there is too much blood money involved with oil, and there are powers well embedded, that don't want things to change.

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