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Buying a gun at Knob Creek ( Out of state )
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Doesn't have to be shipped if you can locate an Indiana FFL holder on site to transfer it to you. (I'm sure there will be) Then it's normal paperwork.
Did that at Louisville gun show, couple changes of hands and brought it home.
There is also a FFL holder in Evansville who drives to a Kentucky gun store every Sunday and brings Indiana resident bought handguns back.
Saves the high shipping price just to get it sent across the river and he charges a very reasonable transfer fee.
I hate dealing with this stupid state line crap.
They need to do away with it. Doesn't serve any purpose.
Did that at Louisville gun show, couple changes of hands and brought it home.
There is also a FFL holder in Evansville who drives to a Kentucky gun store every Sunday and brings Indiana resident bought handguns back.
Saves the high shipping price just to get it sent across the river and he charges a very reasonable transfer fee.
I hate dealing with this stupid state line crap.
They need to do away with it. Doesn't serve any purpose.
Soundslikejosh
Master
I am not advocating unlawful behavior, but it seems to me that if its a FTF, how the heck would anyone even know that you've committed a crime? If I buy an 870 from Joe Shmo in Indy, I receive exactly the same amount of paperwork that I would if I bought it from Dave Shmo in Grand Rapids. Private sales are, well, private.
I am not saying that I advocate this, or that I would do this myself. I just don't understand the OP's concern. If there is no paper trail leading to him, why does it even matter? I am looking forward to peoples' discussion on this. I know that lots of people follow the law for the sake of the law, but from a practical point of view, why (in this example) is it necessary?
I am not saying that I advocate this, or that I would do this myself. I just don't understand the OP's concern. If there is no paper trail leading to him, why does it even matter? I am looking forward to peoples' discussion on this. I know that lots of people follow the law for the sake of the law, but from a practical point of view, why (in this example) is it necessary?
I always thought about it like this. If you do purchase FTF out of state, and end up using that firearm in self-defense, could it come back that you bought it out of state? Good lawyer looking into it, finds out which distributor sold it to what FFL, and what person bought that firearm. The gov/lawyers put the squeeze on that person and they tell them you made an illegal purchase.
IDK how likely you are to get caught, but I like to play all felony related causes far on this side of the fence.
Soundslikejosh
Master
Hey, I am with you. I am not interested in any felonies. Thats why I sadly must comply with so many things that are BS. I just like to look at the practical side of an issue also. I do respect your discussion above, but it seems like a bit of a Rube Goldberg.
lol
Soundslikejosh
Master
That sounds a bit like tinfoil crinkling.
That sounds a bit like tinfoil crinkling.
Sorry, can't hear much through my armadillo helmet
But really, ATF sends agents into set up deals for illegal weapons, set up people at gun shows, set up people not even breaking the law sometimes...so I wouldn't put anything past them.
Incorrect... the "Contigious state" language was deleted from Federal Law in 1986... with the passing of the Gun Owners Protection Act (some states stiil have an enabling law that was required as part of the Federal Law, it is now obsolete). It is legal under Federal law to buy a LONG-GUN ONLY from an out of state FFL if BOTH states laws are obeyed.
rkba_net,
That is a pretty bold statement. Can you give a reference to back up that statement? I wouldn't want anyone to get into trouble, because he was armed with inaccurate information.
I would assume that there would be an ATF agent or two floating around at Knob Creek this weekend, and no I don't have a tin foil hat. It would just seem logical.
This is a quote from the FAQ section of the ATF website, which seems to say that the out-of-state purchase of firearms including long guns from private individuals without going through an FFL dealer is in violation of federal law.
(B2) From whom may an unlicensed person acquire a firearm under the GCA? [Back]
A person may only acquire a firearm within the person’s own State, except that he or she may purchase or otherwise acquire a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee's premises in any State, provided the sale complies with State laws applicable in the State of sale and the State where the purchaser resides. A person may borrow or rent a firearm in any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes.
That is a pretty bold statement. Can you give a reference to back up that statement? I wouldn't want anyone to get into trouble, because he was armed with inaccurate information.
I would assume that there would be an ATF agent or two floating around at Knob Creek this weekend, and no I don't have a tin foil hat. It would just seem logical.
This is a quote from the FAQ section of the ATF website, which seems to say that the out-of-state purchase of firearms including long guns from private individuals without going through an FFL dealer is in violation of federal law.
(B2) From whom may an unlicensed person acquire a firearm under the GCA? [Back]
A person may only acquire a firearm within the person’s own State, except that he or she may purchase or otherwise acquire a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee's premises in any State, provided the sale complies with State laws applicable in the State of sale and the State where the purchaser resides. A person may borrow or rent a firearm in any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes.
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chipdog4,
During an out-of-state, not only does the FFL have to make sure that the state the customer lives in makes it legal to own the long gun the customer is purchasing, but if the city or county he or she lives in has an "assault weapons" ban, for instance, the FFL would not be able to lawfully make the sale. There are a few places, which come to mind, like Cook County, IL and Columbus, OH where this would apply.
During an out-of-state, not only does the FFL have to make sure that the state the customer lives in makes it legal to own the long gun the customer is purchasing, but if the city or county he or she lives in has an "assault weapons" ban, for instance, the FFL would not be able to lawfully make the sale. There are a few places, which come to mind, like Cook County, IL and Columbus, OH where this would apply.
