Can I Carry in a BANK?

[eldirector]

He's escorted by the Lilly security folks, because that particular branch is inside a Lilly building. So it's more a Lilly thing than a CU thing.

Beat me to it, esrice. Yep. I've always gone to the "main" office, which is inside the Lilly offices. I haven't been to any branch since I started carrying a few years ago, though I have visited a few banks for their ATMs or to get coin wrappers.

 

[infidel]

I open carry in my bank. The people are very friendly.

What bank are you talking about, and at what location?

 

[Tactical Dave]

This topic should be in the FAQ..........

 

[ATM]

they swear that since we are Federally insured that there is a federal law against carrying a hand gun into the bank?

The one making the claim should have to show where it is illegal. Swearing is not the same as showing.

I'd have no problem open carrying there. The most they could do is ask me to leave.

 

[printcraft]

As far as the bank president having a fit about someone legally carrying so be it.
I would thank them to close all of my accounts on the spot and I would take my business elsewhere.

+1 Unless the law specifically says that you can't then you can. Think of it like this. Can you carry in a Burger King? Where does the law say so? Being insured by the government means nothing. If you have flood insurance it comes from FEMA. Would that mean that you could not carry in your own home just because you lived in a flood plane?

Screw Burger King. Carry anyhow. -1 Burger King.

 

[INGunGuy]

No Indiana State Law.

Federal law is limited to:
Citations:
Federal Firearms Laws (section 930 G.1)

The fact that their deposits are covered by FDIC is irrelevant.

I haven't tried carrying into my credit union (Eli Lilly). I have to get escorted by security, so I suppose I should ask them sometime. I'm not an employee, so.......

Sorry, I still have to disagree with you on this, I find NOWHERE in federal statutes where it is unlawful to carry a firearm into a federal facility...

Here is the federal statute:

§ 930. Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities

How Current is This?

(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.
(b) Whoever, with intent that a firearm or other dangerous weapon be used in the commission of a crime, knowingly possesses or causes to be present such firearm or dangerous weapon in a Federal facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
(c) A person who kills any person in the course of a violation of subsection (a) or (b), or in the course of an attack on a Federal facility involving the use of a firearm or other dangerous weapon, or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be punished as provided in sections 1111, 1112, 1113, and 1117.
(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to— (1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law;
(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or
(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.

(e) (1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal court facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to conduct which is described in paragraph (1) or (2) of subsection (d).

(f) Nothing in this section limits the power of a court of the United States to punish for contempt or to promulgate rules or orders regulating, restricting, or prohibiting the possession of weapons within any building housing such court or any of its proceedings, or upon any grounds appurtenant to such building.
(g) As used in this section: (1) The term “Federal facility” means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties.
(2) The term “dangerous weapon” means a weapon, device, instrument, material, or substance, animate or inanimate, that is used for, or is readily capable of, causing death or serious bodily injury, except that such term does not include a pocket knife with a blade of less than 21/2 inches in length.
(3) The term “Federal court facility” means the courtroom, judges’ chambers, witness rooms, jury deliberation rooms, attorney conference rooms, prisoner holding cells, offices of the court clerks, the United States attorney, and the United States marshal, probation and parole offices, and adjoining corridors of any court of the United States.

(h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and (b) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal facility, and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal court facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if such notice is not so posted at such facility, unless such person had actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be.

I would like to point out section d subsection 3 where it states that section a shall not apply to

"the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes."


So it sounds to me like if you are carrying a firearm or other dangerous weapon incident to "other lawful purposes" which would be anything as long as you are not breaking another law then there is nothing unlawful about carrying in a federal facility. Now of course, IANAL, and no I didnt stay in a Holiday INN, but from MY understanding of the English language, this is saying that as long as you are carrying lawfully, then there is no breaking of the law.

INGunGuy

 

[JoshuaW]

Are there federal employees? Does the bank have private investors? Those are just a couple clues showing that it IS NOT federal property. The insurance does not make it federal property, and it does not remotely fit the bill for being federal property by description.

You will not find any laws saying you can carry in a bank. You dont need them. You dont need a law telling you that you can legally eat Apple Pie, do you? You dont need permission to do ANYTHING. That is how our legal system works, both state and federal. Unless there is a law, it is legal.

Now for personal experience: Chase Bank has never had an issue with me. I have OCd inside of roughly eight branches. No one has ever said a word. As for credit unions, I have carried into TCU, Chiphone, and Intera. Again, no one has said a word.

 

[rockhopper46038]

Carry On!

 

[Aszerigan]

As far as the bank president having a fit about someone legally carrying so be it.
I would thank them to close all of my accounts on the spot and I would take my business elsewhere.

AGREED.

 

[Gillclaypot]

Post office has signs saying no guns and the fines and sentence.I dont remember what they were.

 

[infidel]

Post office has signs saying no guns and the fines and sentence.I dont remember what they were.

post office = federal property = no carry

 

[Indy_Guy_77]

Post office has signs saying no guns and the fines and sentence.I dont remember what they were.

post office = federal property = no carry

The debate is still out on this.

Seems no one wants to volunteer to be the test case.

 

[eldirector]

I'd settle for a picture of the sign mentioned above.

 

[Phil502]

I'd settle for a picture of the sign mentioned above.

Oh it's in there. It's not on the front door at my PO, just inside on the wall with a bunch of other stuff and also a picture of a revolver with a slash through it.

 

[eldirector]

I'm sure it is there. I'm just wondering what code the sign is citing.

And putting it inside kinda defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

 

[Security122]

i have read several posts.. and see that pretty much everyone on here carrys into a bank... i work at a bank that is FDIC insured (like many banks) and they swear that since we are Federally insured that there is a federal law against carrying a hand gun into the bank?
i'd like to be shown the laws on this, not just know was most people do... i'm looking for the thread that covers this?!

Thanks,

This may be one of the bank's internal policies and some bank employees just think it is the law. The (non-government) company I work for has internal policies, one of which states, "No employee shall carry a weapon on company property, except locked in the employee's vehicle." This doesn't prevent non-employees from carrying a gun on the same property, but as an employee I could be fired if I was found to have a gun on my person.

 

[IndyMonkey]

post office = federal property = no carry

Hoosier national forest...federal propert....take the machine gun and shoot until you run out of ammo.

 

[INGunGuy]

The debate is still out on this.

Seems no one wants to volunteer to be the test case.

I find NOWHERE in federal statutes where it is unlawful to carry a firearm into a federal facility...

Here is the federal statute:

§ 930. Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities

How Current is This?

(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.
(b) Whoever, with intent that a firearm or other dangerous weapon be used in the commission of a crime, knowingly possesses or causes to be present such firearm or dangerous weapon in a Federal facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
(c) A person who kills any person in the course of a violation of subsection (a) or (b), or in the course of an attack on a Federal facility involving the use of a firearm or other dangerous weapon, or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be punished as provided in sections 1111, 1112, 1113, and 1117.
(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to— (1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law;
(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or
(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.

(e) (1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal court facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to conduct which is described in paragraph (1) or (2) of subsection (d).

(f) Nothing in this section limits the power of a court of the United States to punish for contempt or to promulgate rules or orders regulating, restricting, or prohibiting the possession of weapons within any building housing such court or any of its proceedings, or upon any grounds appurtenant to such building.
(g) As used in this section: (1) The term “Federal facility” means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties.
(2) The term “dangerous weapon” means a weapon, device, instrument, material, or substance, animate or inanimate, that is used for, or is readily capable of, causing death or serious bodily injury, except that such term does not include a pocket knife with a blade of less than 21/2 inches in length.
(3) The term “Federal court facility” means the courtroom, judges’ chambers, witness rooms, jury deliberation rooms, attorney conference rooms, prisoner holding cells, offices of the court clerks, the United States attorney, and the United States marshal, probation and parole offices, and adjoining corridors of any court of the United States.

(h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and (b) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal facility, and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal court facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if such notice is not so posted at such facility, unless such person had actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be.

I would like to point out section d subsection 3 where it states that section a shall not apply to

"the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes."


So it sounds to me like if you are carrying a firearm or other dangerous weapon incident to "other lawful purposes" which would be anything as long as you are not breaking another law then there is nothing unlawful about carrying in a federal facility. Now of course, IANAL, and no I didnt stay in a Holiday INN, but from MY understanding of the English language, this is saying that as long as you are carrying lawfully, then there is no breaking of the law.

INGunGuy

 

[theweakerbrother]

I open carry in the PO on National Rd in Columbus at least once a month. Am I going to prison?

They also sell guns there.

 

[infidel]

The debate is still out on this.

Seems no one wants to volunteer to be the test case.

I know, I know, but that's what I tell people that just want a basic answer. I think it would be better for them to not carry there instead of risk the consequences when they don't know what they would be getting themselves into.

edit: isn't it a little line about "other lawful reasons" at the very end of the law or something?