Church and state seperation misrepresentation.

[whocares]

I have had this belief for several months now after reading about a piece of KY legislation which was deemed unconstitutional based on the bills use of the word God in the manuscripts closing. Someone sought to have this bill reformed/rejected in accordance with the constitutions seperation clause.

My point is this. When the founding fathers intuitively added the seperation of church and state it was after hundreds of years of oppressive religious regimes running the show. The only way to ensure freedom of thought and action was to ensure of a non denominational non religous governing body. The word God in no way is the same as church. God is a general term for our creator which crosses religous barriers world wide. All major religions use the term God for their religous ideas. God is an all inclusive never exclusive power. Belief or non belief is optional as God is not religion. Church doctrine and religous ideas are man made therefore subjective.

The word or reference of God does not impede the seperation of church and state. When a man imposes his will or beliefs with the use of the word God it then becomes in essence religion.

 

[indykid]

There is no separation of church and state, only that congress shall make no laws restricting someone's religious beliefs.

That said, if you take the argument that states use for "reasonable restrictions" of the second amendment, why not "reasonable restrictions" on the first???









There is some purple in the above statement. I just left it out to make it interesting!

 

[buford t justice]

I think your going to have a tough time selling that one to the christians on here, I think
they are pretty sure that God means their God.

 

[PatriotPride]

I see this being locked very quickly due to being religious in nature.

 

[96firephoenix]

I think your going to have a tough time selling that one to the christians on here, I think they are pretty sure that God means their God.

Speak for yourself. I know that my God is the God of Abraham. The Jews and Muslims say that too.

As for the other gods claimed by the polytheistic religions, I have no idea. So long as a man does right, I don't care what he calls God.

 

[buford t justice]

Speak for yourself. I know that my God is the God of Abraham. The Jews and Muslims say that too.

As for the other gods claimed by the polytheistic religions, I have no idea. So long as a man does right, I don't care what he calls God.

Why do they all kill each other in the name of God if he is the same God??

 

[Wild Deuce]

separation of church and state

FYI ... this term is not found in any of our founding documents.

 

[E5RANGER375]

IBTL

 

[Bill B]

IBTL

 

[96firephoenix]

Why do they all kill each other in the name of God if he is the same God??

Cuz they're people and people are idiots.

 

[jd4320t]

Come on guys. Believe your beliefs and go talk about guns, cars, women or something.

 

[buford t justice]

Cuz they're people and people are idiots.

Very good point,I wont post again in this thread

 

[RockofStrength]

IBTL

Also +1 for people being idiots.

 

[jd4320t]

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[CarmelHP]

.... When the founding fathers intuitively added the seperation of church and state it was after hundreds of years of oppressive religious regimes running the show. The only way to ensure freedom of thought and action was to ensure of a non denominational non religous governing body....

The prohibition was on Congress alone in the 1st Amendment. States had established state churches. The 1st Amendment was meant as much to protect those established state churches as much as anything else that has been grafted onto it.

 

[sbcman]

I have had this belief for several months now after reading about a piece of KY legislation which was deemed unconstitutional based on the bills use of the word God in the manuscripts closing. Someone sought to have this bill reformed/rejected in accordance with the constitutions seperation clause.

My point is this. When the founding fathers intuitively added the seperation of church and state it was after hundreds of years of oppressive religious regimes running the show. The only way to ensure freedom of thought and action was to ensure of a non denominational non religous governing body. The word God in no way is the same as church. God is a general term for our creator which crosses religous barriers world wide. All major religions use the term God for their religous ideas. God is an all inclusive never exclusive power. Belief or non belief is optional as God is not religion. Church doctrine and religous ideas are man made therefore subjective.

The word or reference of God does not impede the seperation of church and state. When a man imposes his will or beliefs with the use of the word God it then becomes in essence religion.

As mentioned before, the term "separation of church and state" is nowhere found in the constitution or any other government document. The phrase was used by Jefferson in response to a letter from the Danbury Baptists of Connecticut. Baptists hold the hallmark beliefs of religious freedom, freedom of conscience and separation of church and state, which we believe are found in the Bible. Also, we've "been there and done that" when it comes to church and state union and it didn't turn out very well for us at all. You've only got to get drowned, beheaded, jailed or burnt a time or two by the "state church" to decide you want none of it. Jefferson agreed that there should be no national religion, thus the amendment.

Just as a point of clarity, it was not "hundred of years." Believe it or not, Baptists and others were persecuted right here on American soil. Use your google-fu skills on "virginia religious persecution" and take a read, especially into James Madison's words. You'll also find religious persecution in most all the early colonies and states.

To your point at hand though, politicians get enraged at the use of the word "God" in order to please a very small minority of voters. With the exception of a few politicians, this trend will not change. Also, in fairness, some politicians barter the name of God for political gain. It's a deplorable practice both ways.

 

[whocares]

This is my point. If only a small minority find the word God offensive, and the multitude of religous beliefs use it themselves from Hindu to Catholic, Budhist to Baptist, why make such yields to such a minority. I could understand if God were exclusive term to one belief system, but it is not. I am a Christian. Sunday school goin, nursery workin, event helping member of my church. In no way do I expext others to bow down to my imposing beliefs not mutually shared. I am happy with my beliefs and I am happy for your beliefs.

See how this immediately got turned religous and my point is that the word God does not constitute religion. That is exactly the thought process that is allowing God to get swept under the rug in America

 

[KG1]

IBTL

 

[spencer rifle]

Also, in his letter, Jefferson was trying to defend free exercise of religion, not that government should be exclusively in the control of atheists. This quote is often taken out of context, and the whole letter must be read to get the meaning.

 

[redneckmedic]

OMG its INGO God Talk.... however there are very good points here.

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