Concealed carrier disarmed by Coral Gables police

[sonny27]

EXCLUSIVE: Concealed carrier disarmed, searched, has weapon disassembled by Coral Gables Police - The Gun Writer




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[Bfish]

Wow that's taking it super far! I'd be more than a "little upset" if I were that guy!

 

[singlemalt]

EXCLUSIVE: Concealed carrier disarmed, searched, has weapon disassembled by Coral Gables Police - The Gun Writer




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From the article:
“The way you have described it to me is that the officer by seeing the card, he would have the right to ask if there’s a weapon in the car,” Hudak said. “The other side of the coin is, if he leaves him in the car with a gun, is that ultimately optimum safety for the police officer? I believe the officer-survival skill is that he asks for the gun. The card is reasonable suspicion that a person inside the car may be armed, at which point the officer stays alive by the way he handled it. Based on the way you presented it to me, based on the officer seeing it in the wallet. It’s not a bad search.”

Now I have to ask in just how many instances has a licensed person drawn a weapon on a LEO? Seems to me the people who go to the trouble to get a Larry in the first place are some of the most peaceable, law abiding folks you are ever likely to meet.

 

[Joniki]

Good thing he didn't mention his backup.

 

[chipbennett]

This police chief needs to lose his badge:

Coral Gables Police Chief Edward J. Hudak, Jr. said his officer did nothing wrong.


“He saw the concealed firearms license, which led him to a heightened sense to know the driver was armed,” Hudak said. “Could there have been a more polite way to handle it? I would be more than happy to refer this to IA, and they would do an investigation from top to bottom before it comes to my level.”


The police chief said his officer was well within his rights and department policy.


“The way you have described it to me is that the officer by seeing the card, he would have the right to ask if there’s a weapon in the car,” Hudak said. “The other side of the coin is, if he leaves him in the car with a gun, is that ultimately optimum safety for the police officer? I believe the officer-survival skill is that he asks for the gun. The card is reasonable suspicion that a person inside the car may be armed, at which point the officer stays alive by the way he handled it. Based on the way you presented it to me, based on the officer seeing it in the wallet. It’s not a bad search.”

"Officer safety" canard. A concealed carry permit is prima facie evidence of being law-abiding, and non-dangerous. Illegal search. Illegal seizure.

If the police chief doesn't understand the fourth amendment protections he's sworn to uphold, he should be voted out of office.

Oh, wait a minute...

 

[Drail]

Sadly the people who voted him INTO office probably don't even know what the Fourth Amendment is either, or think that it's whatever the Supreme Court says it is. Officer safety seems to overide the Bill of Rights these days.

 

[Mark 1911]

Very poorly handled indeed. Hope some major corrective actions are inbound for both officer and chief.

 

[Alamo]

Whoops. I know a licensed concealed handgun carrier in Coral Gables. Dast I check the link?

OK not him. Whew.


As to the incident: disarming for officer safety simply because he saw the CC license is pretty shaky, but disassembling the gun and unloading the magazines into the trunk is just plain contempt of citizen.

 

[SSGSAD]

Wow that's taking it super far! I'd be more than a "little upset" if I were that guy!

I'd be RICH !!!!! and the Police Chief, and that Officer, would BOTH be looking for work !!!!!

McDonalds, or a gas station cashier !!!!!

 

[Kutnupe14]

More to the story?

 

[Light]

Although disarming is "understandable", although unnecessary, the rest of what the officer did is completely uncalled for.
As long as the weapon was in the officers possession, there was absolutely no reason to do anything else to the weapon.

 

[chipbennett]

Although disarming is "understandable", although unnecessary, the rest of what the officer did is completely uncalled for.
As long as the weapon was in the officers possession, there was absolutely no reason to do anything else to the weapon.

I fail to see how disarming was even "understandable". What reasonable suspicion did the officer have that the driver was dangerous?

 

[Kutnupe14]

I fail to see how disarming was even "understandable". What reasonable suspicion did the officer have that the driver was dangerous?

I'm with you. Once he was aware of the permit, it should've been end of story.

 

[IndyGunSafety]

Good thing he didn't mention his backup.

Or the two guns his wife was carrying! All in the name of "officer safety".

 

[Kutnupe14]

This is one the reason why I'm not so anti-permits. If constitutional carry was adopted nationwide, I think one would have a very difficult time justifying why an officer shouldn't disarm them during contact.

 

[Joniki]

This is one the reason why I'm not so anti-permits. If constitutional carry was adopted nationwide, I think one would have a very difficult time justifying why an officer shouldn't disarm them during contact.

What?

 

[Kutnupe14]

....waits for the storm to hit

 

[Kutnupe14]

What?

Is that not self-explanatory?

 

[OutdoorDad]

When in Florida, I disarm police upon contact (for my safety).
Statistcally, far more people in their line of work have shot innocent people than casual travelers through their state.

I think it's just prudent.

 

[BearFodder]

This is one the reason why I'm not so anti-permits. If constitutional carry was adopted nationwide, I think one would have a very difficult time justifying why an officer shouldn't disarm them during contact.

I have to agree with that.