Democrats want to Legalize Marijuana

[shootersix]

Look I just want to eat my weed gummies while shooting my suppressed m16 at baby seals and cook dinner on my gas stove while smoking a menthol cigarette without having the government tell me what I can and can’t do!…oh my god…I’m hunter Biden!

 

[phylodog]

I would disagree that the fabric of society is not collapsing, and further I would stipulate that the longer a state has had recreational marijuana the more advanced its state of collapse has become

Correlation is not causation but neither is it indicative of nothing

Fair enough, but there's going to have to be more than "they made it legal and utopia didn't arise" for me to accept that we're seeing a negative impact on society in the states where it's been legalized. I'd say it's borderline impossible, with all of the insanity that has taken place in the past four years to try to pinpoint any specific driver or pin any appreciable amount of blame on one issue.
American culture has been headed to the dumpster for decades.

 

[phylodog]

So the answer to all this relies on how one feels about laws (or anything for that matter). I never felt it was wrong so it's ok that I lied on the 4473, besides people are coming around to my way of thinking!

Can you imagine, just for a moment, if all of society lived by that feeling? HEY, wait a moment! Society is! And most people on INDGO at one time or another spoke out against that same kind of rhetoric.

When is it ok and when is it not? And who decides?

Do we continue to break a law until there is no law? Where else are we seeing this? And we call ourselves different, law abiding, constitutionalists? PALEASE!

I'm ok with civil disobedience, I do it all the time when I exceed the speed limit. If/when I get a ticket for it I'll take my lumps and if I feel strongly enough about it I'll go to court so I can voice my opinion on speed limits to the judge. I used to light illegal fireworks at times also, I know, I should be in prison.

There was a time when being considered a law abiding citizens meant something to me. That was back before I realized the depth of the depravity of our government. I have my morals and ethics which I have no problem following regardless of the law and fortunately, for now at least, that hasn't put me in violation of the law.

Some laws are needed, some laws are garbage, our founding fathers knew it.

 

[phylodog]

There seems to be a belief that legalization will result in some mass conversion of millions of people into stoners. That belief is based on another one which is that wide spread marijuana use is a new thing which couldn't be further from the truth.

I worked undercover narcotics on a couple of occasions for a total of just over five years. Of all the typical illegal narcotics, marijuana was always the cheapest to purchase. It's also one of the few which could pretty easily be produced in large quantities here in the U.S.. In spite of not having to smuggle it across the border and it therefore being more affordable than cocaine, heroine, meth or virtually any of the other illicit drugs, the marijuana dealers were without fail the dealers making the most money. Like 5x the money a coke, crack, meth dealer could make. Why? Quantity.

The reality is legalization will result in a small shift in the numbers and I believe that once the generations raised on propaganda are gone it'll get little more attention or be of little more concern to society than diet pills. The belief that American society has developed without marijuana as a significant influencer is mistaken. It's use has always been much more widespread than reported. Few want to admit it due to the stigma.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

So the answer to all this relies on how one feels about laws (or anything for that matter). I never felt it was wrong so it's ok that I lied on the 4473, besides people are coming around to my way of thinking!

Can you imagine, just for a moment, if all of society lived by that feeling? HEY, wait a moment! Society is! And most people on INDGO at one time or another spoke out against that same kind of rhetoric.

When is it ok and when is it not? And who decides?

Do we continue to break a law until there is no law? Where else are we seeing this? And we call ourselves different, law abiding, constitutionalists? PALEASE!

There are also a lot of people here on INGO that have said that if guns/magazines/etc. are banned, that they will not comply. So indeed, it is acceptable (to some or maybe most here) to break a law until there is no law (or if something is made illegal that previously was legal).

 

[Ziggidy]

I'm ok with civil disobedience, I do it all the time when I exceed the speed limit. If/when I get a ticket for it I'll take my lumps and if I feel strongly enough about it I'll go to court so I can voice my opinion on speed limits to the judge. I used to light illegal fireworks at times also, I know, I should be in prison.

There was a time when being considered a law abiding citizens meant something to me. That was back before I realized the depth of the depravity of our government. I have my morals and ethics which I have no problem following regardless of the law and fortunately, for now at least, that hasn't put me in violation of the law.

Some laws are needed, some laws are garbage, our founding fathers knew it.

So whose moral meter do we follow? Yours? Mine? By being a citizen we have agreed to certain requirements or rules. Are they all bad? No. Are they all good? No. But it is not up to each individual to make the decision what they will follow and not.

Take a good look around the USA. Your claim, your option is being practiced by a ton of people. In your face, disregard for law. Politicians we talk about are a hot topic. DA's not stopping for police, Hunter doing what he does, and the president.....you know exactly what I am speaking about. People who lie on a 4473 is no different than those we complain about DAILY on INGO.

 

[Ziggidy]

There are also a lot of people here on INGO that have said that if guns/magazines/etc. are banned, that they will not comply. So indeed, it is acceptable (to some or maybe most here) to break a law until there is no law (or if something is made illegal that previously was legal).

I get it, truly I do. I think I feel if the law is hurting people, suppressing people and creating a danger, I too would do the same. I just cannot find in me the support for people breaking the law so they can get high on weed. There is no societal benefit.

Majority of gun owners call themselves law abiding citizens, and we should be. Smoking weed IMO is not a reason to risk your credibility nor my credibility. Lying on a federal form is not cool at all. The current atmosphere does not need further reasons to ban guns and truly create the scenario you spoke of. We need to choose our battles; smoking weed and lying on a 4473 is not one I support.

 

[BugI02]

There are also a lot of people here on INGO that have said that if guns/magazines/etc. are banned, that they will not comply. So indeed, it is acceptable (to some or maybe most here) to break a law until there is no law (or if something is made illegal that previously was legal).

Apples and oranges. I can easily see RKBA given a prominent place in the BoR, not so much the 'right' to a psychoactive crutch

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Apples and oranges. I can easily see RKBA given a prominent place in the BoR, not so much the 'right' to a psychoactive crutch

Why does it have to be a "crutch"? Why can't it be something that some folks just enjoy, no different than enjoying a good cigar or a fine wine or brandy? By your logic, anything that gives one pleasure, whether it's something consumed or an activity one enjoys is a "crutch".

 

[Michigan Slim]

I couldn't care less if someone burns one or eats a gummy on Saturday night. I've smoked pounds of weed in my distant past. Just don't show up on my job site baked. I'll hammer your ass for it.

 

[phylodog]

I just cannot find in me the support for people breaking the law so they can get high on weed. There is no societal benefit.

This is where your ignorance and indoctrination are holding you back.

 

[BugI02]

Why does it have to be a "crutch"? Why can't it be something that some folks just enjoy, no different than enjoying a good cigar or a fine wine or brandy? By your logic, anything that gives one pleasure, whether it's something consumed or an activity one enjoys is a "crutch".

I just see it that way among people I know/knew. If I was required to give up drinking alcohol tomorrow on pain of losing my job or my clearance or my 2A rights, it would literally be a no-brainer. I might miss it a little for a while, but I certainly wouldn't risk burning down my life in order to sneak around and still drink. Many of the people I knew who were the proverbial 'productive family man holding down a good job' were not able to do the same. They reminded me of high functioning alcoholics, who have a problem but just hide it well. The difference to me was about who or what was in control, not the stories they told themselves

I'm not saying my personal experience applies to you or anyone else because I don't know you, but neither do I believe that the many bright young engineers I knew in school were uniquely weak minded - and many of them were unable to put down the pipe before it ruined them

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I just see it that way among people I know/knew. If I was required to give up drinking alcohol tomorrow on pain of losing my job or my clearance or my 2A rights, it would literally be a no-brainer. I might miss it a little for a while, but I certainly wouldn't risk burning down my life in order to sneak around and still drink. Many of the people I knew who were the proverbial 'productive family man holding down a good job' were not able to do the same. They reminded me of high functioning alcoholics, who have a problem but just hide it well. The difference to me was about who or what was in control, not the stories they told themselves

I'm not saying my personal experience applies to you or anyone else because I don't know you, but neither do I believe that the many bright young engineers I knew in school were uniquely weak minded - and many of them were unable to put down the pipe before it ruined them

Fair enough. Like alcohol, some people will abuse it to their detriment, while others will not. Prohibition and the subsequent ending of prohibition did not change that for alcohol, nor will it with marijuana. That's a personality and/or physical issue, not a substance issue.

 

[phylodog]

I'm not saying my personal experience applies to you or anyone else because I don't know you, but neither do I believe that the many bright young engineers I knew in school were uniquely weak minded - and many of them were unable to put down the pipe before it ruined them

Exact same thing can be said for alcohol but at much, much higher rates. What can't be said for alcohol is that it does hold therapeutic benefit for many.

ETA: DD beat me

 

[DoggyDaddy]

ETA: DD beat me

I didn't lay a hand on you!

 

[DoggyDaddy]

If I may relate a story from my distant past (1979) to illustrate that not everything is a "crutch"...

I was enrolled in an advanced English/writing class at Purdue and for our final paper, we could choose any of the types of papers we had written over the course of the semester. I chose descriptive/creative. The title of my paper was "My First Acid Trip".

The first time I ever did acid, I did an entire 4-way (4 hits - IYKYK) of blotter acid. For the uninitiated, that's a lot. In my paper, I simply described what I saw and experienced. I mostly wrote about the visual effects (hallucinations) - things like a stucco texture on a wall "dripping", or a pattern in a rug "moving", seeing "tracers" when I'd move my hand in front of my eyes, seeing the pores on peoples' faces look like the skin of an orange, where I could "see" every pore. Stuff like that.

I didn't make any wild claims, like "seeing God" or "understanding the Universe"... none of that BS. I got an A+ on the paper. My professor said that it was the most objective paper on drugs that he had ever seen, because it didn't make any of those wild claims. It was just describing the experience and nothing more. I was kinda nerdy back then (ha!) and I'd actually observe myself - taking my pulse, making note of my breathing and other physical things that I was experiencing. So for me, it was never a "crutch". It was simply an experience.

 

[Mij]

An interesting article

‘Seize all cannabis’: Inside the surprising federal crackdown on New Mexico weed farmers — POLITICO

U.S. Customs and Border Protection has been seizing cannabis in the southern part of the state, sparking tensions with Democratic Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham.

apple.news

 

[Mij]

If I may relate a story from my distant past (1979) to illustrate that not everything is a "crutch"...

I was enrolled in an advanced English/writing class at Purdue and for our final paper, we could choose any of the types of papers we had written over the course of the semester. I chose descriptive/creative. The title of my paper was "My First Acid Trip".

The first time I ever did acid, I did an entire 4-way (4 hits - IYKYK) of blotter acid. For the uninitiated, that's a lot. In my paper, I simply described what I saw and experienced. I mostly wrote about the visual effects (hallucinations) - things like a stucco texture on a wall "dripping", or a pattern in a rug "moving", seeing "tracers" when I'd move my hand in front of my eyes, seeing the pores on peoples' faces look like the skin of an orange, where I could "see" every pore. Stuff like that.

I didn't make any wild claims, like "seeing God" or "understanding the Universe"... none of that BS. I got an A+ on the paper. My professor said that it was the most objective paper on drugs that he had ever seen, because it didn't make any of those wild claims. It was just describing the experience and nothing more. I was kinda nerdy back then (ha!) and I'd actually observe myself - taking my pulse, making note of my breathing and other physical things that I was experiencing. So for me, it was never a "crutch". It was simply an experience.

And here you are today a great (in at least my opinion) INGO Orator.

While not an actual on stage Thespian, your words speak for you.

Do you or can you attribute this skill to your earlier endeavors?

Or was it the all night trips to Harry’s Chocolate Shop?

 

[Hawkeye]

If I may relate a story from my distant past (1979) to illustrate that not everything is a "crutch"...

I was enrolled in an advanced English/writing class at Purdue and for our final paper, we could choose any of the types of papers we had written over the course of the semester. I chose descriptive/creative. The title of my paper was "My First Acid Trip".

The first time I ever did acid, I did an entire 4-way (4 hits - IYKYK) of blotter acid. For the uninitiated, that's a lot. In my paper, I simply described what I saw and experienced. I mostly wrote about the visual effects (hallucinations) - things like a stucco texture on a wall "dripping", or a pattern in a rug "moving", seeing "tracers" when I'd move my hand in front of my eyes, seeing the pores on peoples' faces look like the skin of an orange, where I could "see" every pore. Stuff like that.

I didn't make any wild claims, like "seeing God" or "understanding the Universe"... none of that BS. I got an A+ on the paper. My professor said that it was the most objective paper on drugs that he had ever seen, because it didn't make any of those wild claims. It was just describing the experience and nothing more. I was kinda nerdy back then (ha!) and I'd actually observe myself - taking my pulse, making note of my breathing and other physical things that I was experiencing. So for me, it was never a "crutch". It was simply an experience.

So, what was oyur grade on that paper?

 

[Michigan Slim]

So, what was oyur grade on that paper?

I'm seeing A+ there.