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Late 70's would still be electronic ignition, I think that most cars and gas powered trucks made after 1973 was being outfitted with electronic ignition.
So you'd need to buy an after market kit to retrofit it. Condenser, points and coil, the coil should be safe because it has not electronic device in it.
Alternators would fall victim because of diodes and would need a working old style model so not to fall victim.
SavageEagle
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Or you could just build an underground bunker to park your BOV with a faraday cage all around it and be done with it. 
You wouldn't have to retrofit any car to survive an emp. From what I have been able to find from reliable sources (not you tube or wiki-anything) less than 10% of vehicles that are running during an emp event will have any ill-effects whatsoever. Only a tiny minority of these would be temporarily disabled (turn off the key and it'll start back up). Less than (I think it's) 5% of the vehicles affected would be permanently disabled.
Why are our homes so vulnerable and our vehicles aren't? Because our homes are connected to the grid which is basically one huge antenna for collecting and amplifying emp waves, building surges of up to thousands of amps. Because these surges will be DC and out of phase with the AC in the wires it has the potential to cause transformers (out on the pole and at substations) to reach saturation, overheat and burn.
Our cars have the advantage of not being grounded and not being connected to miles long antenna.
Likewise, anything plugged in to the grid is vulnerable to the surges as well.
Do some research so that you don't waste money or worry unneccessarily.
Why are our homes so vulnerable and our vehicles aren't? Because our homes are connected to the grid which is basically one huge antenna for collecting and amplifying emp waves, building surges of up to thousands of amps. Because these surges will be DC and out of phase with the AC in the wires it has the potential to cause transformers (out on the pole and at substations) to reach saturation, overheat and burn.
Our cars have the advantage of not being grounded and not being connected to miles long antenna.
Likewise, anything plugged in to the grid is vulnerable to the surges as well.
Do some research so that you don't waste money or worry unneccessarily.
I have a couple of older cars, both mid eighties BMWs and am wondering if the spare computers would be all that is needed to get these running in case of an EMP burst. If the computers are protected, then I should be able to get either car running by a computer swap. On these cars, the computer operates the fuel injection and ignition systems.
Or, would an EMP burst also fry each and every sensor in the car like air flow meters, timing pickups and other simple electronics?
Thanks,
Or, would an EMP burst also fry each and every sensor in the car like air flow meters, timing pickups and other simple electronics?
Thanks,
An EMP would not hurt the Vehicles, or most electronics.
If you are close enough that an EMP takes out your equipment, that is the least of your worries. If you are close enough that EMP has destroyed your equipment then YOU ARE IN THE RADIATION ZONE.
If you are close enough that an EMP takes out your equipment, that is the least of your worries. If you are close enough that EMP has destroyed your equipment then YOU ARE IN THE RADIATION ZONE.
No worries, I've got an extra one sitting in my shed. Seriously.
ah men, what do worry about when the world is coming to an end....our cars 
it was my impression from...quite a bit of reading.. is that the strength of the EMP grows over the length of a conductive surface ie. miles of cable, solenoids, microchips. cutting the power would be irrelevant in this case. this seems to be wrong though. still EMP's in reality have proven to be inconsistent in what they affect
but seriously, if we're nuked, or a major power detonates a nuclear weapon in the ionosphere causing nationwide EMP damage, driving is not going to help you, in all likely hood the sheep will be in their cars, if your on here i doubt your a sheep. immense traffic jams, rioting, probably no place to go, and if civilization has really taken a hit, then oil refining would stop, the gas would run out or go bad, diesel would last a good while but, the danger and difficulty of driving anything short of a Abrams would probably leave you best moving on foot/ or starting a community
it was my impression from...quite a bit of reading.. is that the strength of the EMP grows over the length of a conductive surface ie. miles of cable, solenoids, microchips. cutting the power would be irrelevant in this case. this seems to be wrong though. still EMP's in reality have proven to be inconsistent in what they affect
but seriously, if we're nuked, or a major power detonates a nuclear weapon in the ionosphere causing nationwide EMP damage, driving is not going to help you, in all likely hood the sheep will be in their cars, if your on here i doubt your a sheep. immense traffic jams, rioting, probably no place to go, and if civilization has really taken a hit, then oil refining would stop, the gas would run out or go bad, diesel would last a good while but, the danger and difficulty of driving anything short of a Abrams would probably leave you best moving on foot/ or starting a community
OK!
It looks like you are worried about cars.
Read an article on yahoo about a solar flare in 1857.
They knew something had happened because it caused an emp pulse strong enough to start fires along railroad tracks and telegraph lines.
Like a ripple in a pond.
Think of the emp as a radio wave, like your old bunny ears used to pick up.
That is how the faraday cage works, if it is grounded. It is an antenna that redirects the moving electrons down the wires into a ground. Otherwise the electrons are just going to shift with the wave. There are electrons in all of your gear, on or off, right now. The more modern the circuits, the smaller they are, and the closer the circuit lines. When the electrons shift with the wave, they will jump the circuit lines.
A solar flare of a magnatude that will start grass fires, will fry every satalite on that side of the planet, if the flare continues for days the other satalites will also get fried as they swing around.
Power grids will be toast.
Cell phones gone. Electricity gone. Communications gone. Refrigeration gone.
Get some seeds people.
It looks like you are worried about cars.
Read an article on yahoo about a solar flare in 1857.
They knew something had happened because it caused an emp pulse strong enough to start fires along railroad tracks and telegraph lines.
Like a ripple in a pond.
Think of the emp as a radio wave, like your old bunny ears used to pick up.
That is how the faraday cage works, if it is grounded. It is an antenna that redirects the moving electrons down the wires into a ground. Otherwise the electrons are just going to shift with the wave. There are electrons in all of your gear, on or off, right now. The more modern the circuits, the smaller they are, and the closer the circuit lines. When the electrons shift with the wave, they will jump the circuit lines.
A solar flare of a magnatude that will start grass fires, will fry every satalite on that side of the planet, if the flare continues for days the other satalites will also get fried as they swing around.
Power grids will be toast.
Cell phones gone. Electricity gone. Communications gone. Refrigeration gone.
Get some seeds people.
Of course a large portion of the population will be eating each other.
Imagine 300 million people with no infrastructure and a weeks worth of food in the cities!
Any government report with anything in it that would upset you tinfoil hat people, never gets put on the net. There re a million things that will get you, that we will never see on TV. We should start a list.
Imagine 300 million people with no infrastructure and a weeks worth of food in the cities!
Any government report with anything in it that would upset you tinfoil hat people, never gets put on the net. There re a million things that will get you, that we will never see on TV. We should start a list.
And the above cited test on the cars gives a Voltage, but did they list a frequency or amperage? Because an EMP will be a white noise burst across all frequencies. Certain electronic devices/insulation will work better, but the key will probably be the larger size of the circuits, like the old vacume tubes. I read about emp testing on B52's about 20 years ago, and they were worried about upgrading the electronics, where the original design could withstand almost anything.
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if you have a bug out vehicle, you can properly protect it. disconnect the battery and make sure the circuit (car) is grounded. there are plenty of ways to simply shield deviced from EMP strikes. heres another way,,,,, buy a surplus humvee. they are shielded.
keep in mind that travel is not going to be easily attained in a SHTF scenario. EMP or not. lanes will be blocked. also there will likely be road blocks by: police, military, looters, gangs, towns, etc. If you are driving or walking around and no one else is, you will be a target and probly die, or be robbed.
keep in mind that travel is not going to be easily attained in a SHTF scenario. EMP or not. lanes will be blocked. also there will likely be road blocks by: police, military, looters, gangs, towns, etc. If you are driving or walking around and no one else is, you will be a target and probly die, or be robbed.
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